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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: I really like Washington & Lee....
« on: December 19, 2005, 09:49:31 PM »
I really dont think students ever steal eachother's laptops or books (but it could be a possibility). Schools in large cities have a problem because the library is open to the public.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Any suggestions for Pre-1L reading???
« on: December 19, 2005, 01:29:55 PM »
All:

I have heard that "Getting to Maybe" is a great book. That being said, I am a 2L, and I think you should just relax before starting your "journey".   Enjoy the time off;  your first year, especially the first three or four weeks, will be very stressful.

I am a 1L, and I agree with the comment about relaxing. Read for enjoyment because you will not have time afterwards. I read the Harry Potter series, a bunch of Kennedy Bios, and a number of Martini criminal fictions the summer before law school. Also, make sure you read SOMETHING to train your brain...you will be reading A LOT. You don't have to be a speed reader but you do have to have the stamina to read a lot in one sitting. I would also recommend practicing typing if you suck at it like me (believe me, you will be thanking yourself during your TORTS final).

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I think my "why SMU" optional essay helped and I was genuine in my PS about attending SMU. They highlighted my work with an internship and my involvement in many ECs during college in my acceptance letter, so I think being involved helped a lot. Other students here were also involved in college or had extensive careers before law school. If you really want to attend SMU, you should consider the night program. SMU can get stressful at times because we have to take 16 hours the first year (I think most schools require 13-15 hours the first year) and we also have a B curve. If you are interested in the night program, you should contact SMU and let them know that you wouldn't attending the night program as opposed to the day program (remember, the night program does not affect their USNEWS ranking and they accept 90 for the night program).

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: I really like Washington & Lee....
« on: December 19, 2005, 01:00:48 PM »
I visited W&L when I was waitlisted last year and was very impressed. I really like the small school vibe and didn't mind the rural area. I am from Texas and wanted to practice there so I asked about placement. From what I understand, the name does travel well in the South. I think a fifth of the class was actually from Texas and most of the class did well finding a job afterwards. I was also told that the school is working on its placement in California, but its alumni network is well established and the alumni is very loyal to their own. I probably would have gone to W&L if I was accepted off their waitlist, but I am happy where I am at now. If you like small schools, a laid back atmosphere, and dont mind small towns, W&L is an awesome school.

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OK I posted my list elsewhere, but I thought it might give some folks a little hope.

LSAT: 150 + 158 = 154
UGPA: 3.76
Extras: 23 y/o, white, male, lots of ECs and worked throughout college

Don't know where the Chiasu website is now but most were less than 5%.

GW - reject
GULC EA - reject
Minnesota - deferred, reject
Illinois - reject
GMU - reject
Oregon - reject
Texas - deferred, reject
W&L - waitlist
Pepperdine - waitlist
Vandy - waitlist
Willamette - waitlist
Baylor - accept (summer)
SMU - accept

SMU and Baylor do not take the higher LSAT and I received both acceptances in January. The W&L and Vandy waitlists caught me off guard. My "safety school," Willamette, waitlisted me. Essentially it's a crap shoot so dont be afraid to apply to many reach schools because you never know what the schools are looking for.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: What are my options?
« on: December 19, 2005, 12:38:28 PM »
I know you have probably heard this over and over, but retake the LSAT. I was in the exact same position as you and I hated the idea of retaking that damn thing all over again. I scored a 150 my first time and had a 3.76 UGPA. The second time around, I enrolled with Princeton and used the Power Score Legal Reasoning Bible and scored a 158. Though not too impressive, it got me where I wanted to go. My results were a crap shoot (btw, I was a white male straight out of college with a number of ECs under my belt):

GULC - reject
Texas - deferred, reject
Minnesota - deferred, reject
Illinois - reject
GW - reject
Lewis & Clark - reject
GMU - reject
Oregon - reject
W&L - waitlisted
Vandy - waitlisted
Pepperdine - waitlisted
Willamette - waitlisted
SMU - accepted (now attending)
Baylor - accepted (summer)

As you can tell, I basically rolled the dice and applied to a lot of random places (mostly to schools that took the higher LSAT). It was also risky because I only applied to one "safety" school and focused on reach schools (even though my safety school WLed me). I'm glad I did what I did and loved my time at SMU. I was thinking about transfering to Vandy next year, but now I am going to stay in Dallas.

Short story long, retake the LSAT and apply to schools you REALLY want to attend. Sometimes you are offering something that is more important than your score so you never know what will happen unless you try (btw, SMU does not take the higher LSAT). Good luck!

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: 1L's: What do you think of law school?
« on: September 17, 2005, 03:40:40 PM »
Though I know I don't have it as tough as the Bears, I am starting to second guess going law school. I know I am putting way too much time into studying, at least 8 hours in addition to classes on MTW. How is everyone else handling 16 hours of classes, plus having a LRWA class that is actually graded? It sucks because if I didn't think that grades mattered, I would enjoy myself. I suck at typing and I have serious memorization problems (some of my profs are detailed oriented).

Quick question to those who are "getting it:" how do you read 15 cases per day, read all the full rules, restatements, and laws cited in the cases, and have the cases briefed enough for a Socratic session? For example in Civ Pro we are expected to have all the cases read as well as know the full Civ Pro Rule cited. In addition to that, we need to answer the 5 or so hypos at the end of each case especially if we are "up for Socratic?" If I don't get a concept, I like to go over it with a commerical outline or guide; I am getting worried because if I am spending this much time NOW, what's going to happen when stuff actually starts to pick up? At first I was worried about not getting Bs, now I am afraid I will actually fail out (something I never considered)  :-\

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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Texas Law
« on: September 17, 2005, 03:13:44 PM »
Though I haven't talked politics with anyone in my school, I think SMU is the most conservative law school in Texas (maybe tied with Tech). IMO, the profs are probably moderate

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Fratty Law Schools.
« on: September 16, 2005, 01:21:31 PM »
Id probably say Ole Miss is the frattiest school in America.

quite possibly from a public pov, but there are def some small Southern privates that easily rival it.

True, as well. But I'm not even so sure that SMU's law school is that "fratty." A lot of the private undergrads that have law schools don't tend to have the same type of student body in their law school that they did in undergrad. And then a lot of fratty schools (like Sewanee) don't have law schools which is sad. W&L I would imagine is pretty fratty, but no football. And if I only have one day off per week, I want to at least be able to enjoy that sport live on weekends.

As a 1L @ SMU I can definitely say that SMU is "fratty." The guys here still wear their greek shirts, people actually socialize, and the "Southern" vibe is very noticable. For example, there is an intramural league within the law school, there is a sports fandango next week ($30 play softball, vollyball, football, all you can drink beer, then all go to a Rangers game), and tonight we have "Bar Review" at a bar. I'm not totally into the frat scene, but its very nice to chill and not be a law student 24-7. Apparently there is more to life than Torts and being forced to recite the motions of demur in Civ Pro...who knew?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: What should I do wiith the Hurricane?
« on: September 02, 2005, 10:17:55 PM »
Go where you want to go. As far as your transcript is considered, going to a better school won't do anything especially if its for just a semester. Your transcript and dipolma will say "Tulane." It might be better to go to an easier school and get your GPA up higher.

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