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General Board / Re: Question for 2l and 3L
« on: August 03, 2009, 11:19:02 AM »
Certainly personal preference.

For me, money was a major consideration.  I borrowed all of my casebooks during 1L from upperclassmen FOR FREE, I simply promised to return them at the end of semester. Hey, $0 worked for me.  It didn't bother me in the least if they were highlighted b/c I'm not a highlighter, I'm an underliner + notes-in-the-margin writer.  Highlighting, to me, doesn't say anything.  I might highlight parts of a statute but not a case. Cases, to me, are more complex and require notation. Again, personal preference.

Casebooks are overrated anyway.

Supplements are also personal preference.  I found them to be extremely helpful and one of the main reason why casebooks are overrated.  That and the fact that I could find all of the cases in their entirety on lexis or westlaw for free (as opposed to the stripped down/edited version that the casebook authors felt inclined to share with us).  My general observation was that you could literally cut out hours of reading time by spending a few minutes in a supplement first before reading through the cases.  (I never felt comfortable cutting out the cases completely - some people did and I think they didn't do as well because of the 100% reliance on supplements)

I purchased all of my supplements off of amazon.com from other students for, on average, $10 a pop.

So to recap, I had a relatively inexpensive first year of law school using used books and did just fine on the exams.  At the end of the day, it's all about the exam anyway.  Don't forget that part.

Good luck.

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To those that have gone through OCI -

If you land interviews with a firm through both regional BLSA job fair and OCI bids, which one would you opt to cancel?

Factors I'm considering: 1) regional BLSA bid is selective vs. OCI random lottery at my LS; and 2) from what I observed last summer, regional BLSA job fair interviewers were predominantly associates vs. OCI interviewers were predominantly partners. 

Also, are there any other recommended factors I should take into account? 

I'm trying to remember what we did in those situations, because it happened all the time.  I wanna say we did BOTH, the NBLSA and the OCI, but maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.  Maybe that was for different offices of the same firm....

I generally remember the NBLSA interviews producing more call backs than the OCI interviews but maybe that's just me.


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: August 01, 2009, 12:10:27 PM »
Sands and Alci:

I've known you two for about 4 years now. I don't think you guys realize how much I rely on your advice and insight. It has always been very helpful. I just wanna say, I really appreciate it ( i know we all do). You guys are pretty awesome.

Hey no doubt, son. Glad to help out.

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- Sands

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: August 01, 2009, 11:06:27 AM »
I thought the MBE was hard. Anyone else feel this way?

I thought the morning MBE was hard I actually ran out of time with 7 questions left, the afternoon was easy I thought; I either killed it, or I fell for every wrong asnwer that seemed so right.

We all felt the same way coming out. 

They split it up so that 1/2 of the test takers get the "easy" half in the morning, and some get it in the afternoon (so you can't look over your neighbor's shoulder).

I remember even after having done an insane amount of MBE questions before the exam, I still had to guess on at least half of those jokers, and there were some I just did not know at all.  But you gotta remember, everybody else feels the same way and they calibrate the MBE nation-wide so the odds are in your favor to pass.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: July 31, 2009, 07:32:22 PM »
Yeah I said I'm not sure he should be fired.

I know, I was just wondering why you were not sure.

I don't think he should be fired (at all), but I could see an investigation into the likely inaccuracies in his police report.  For instance, he claims that Whalen told him that she saw two black men with backpacks trying to break in, but just a few seconds earlier, she was very clear that she didn't know the race of the two men.  It's possible, of course, that she changed her story, but that's what an investigation would uncover.  We seldom have the opportunity to go back and check the accuracy of police reports like this, yet we rely on them to put people behind bars.

I also think the department and departments across the country should issue better guidelines to their officers about when to arrest people for disorderly conduct.  This is the kind of thing that would be dismissed at arraignments in New York (what you might call "initial appearance" elsewhere), so no one ever takes the time out to think about why people have been arrested in the first place.  Nonetheless, being arrested is actually a huge disruption in one's life, and once you're in the system, it's harder and harder to stay out.  Moreover, when members of your community are routinely arrested without cause, it undermines the authority and integrity of the system much more than a little yelling at an individual police officer ever could.

I concur.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: July 31, 2009, 07:15:54 PM »
I made *&^% up.  Hopefully the *&^% I made up was better than the *&^% everyone else made up.


Classic! Sage words.

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General Board / Re: To everyone taking the bar tomorrow…
« on: July 30, 2009, 04:04:36 PM »
Nothing personal, but I hope the pass rate in most states comes in betweeen 20 and 30% for the next 4 or 5 years. We need to cull the herd and give this legal market a chance to recover, so that the millions of unemployed lawyers we already have floating around can find some work.


thats ridiculous

what's ridiculous are that state bars keep admitting thousands of new members twice a year, when over half the graduates from the past two years' graduating classes, still haven't found any work. So, yes I do hope all of you and thousands of other test takers fail the bar. Its harsh, but the more of you there are, the less money I make. Its that simple.

Ouch.

I wouldn't wish anybody to fail the bar, just put it off maybe or something like that.

Congrats on everybody for surviving the experience.  Go out and get wasted!

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 30, 2009, 03:29:27 PM »
Sands--your post about the Bar essay Qs completely made my life better.  You mentioned there was a Q about larceny/bad checks on your exam, which made me realize I knew nothing about that subject.  So, I read the NY Distinctions section on bad check laws in NY.  Sure enough, it was the second essay on the exam!  There is absolutely NO WAY I would have gotten that right without you.   :)

Wow, look at that.  Who knew they would resurrect the infamous bad checks essay of '07?!?!  What a bunch of tools. 

Well I'm glad you were prepared for it.  Good stuff!  You were probably 1 of like 10 people to get that one right from what I've been hearing.

About a week before the 07 exam, one of my friends called me up and started going off about commercial paper, saying that she had a bad feeling about it and that we had better know something about it.  Like you, I realized at that moment that I had not even touched the subject, so I breezed through it, picked up some terms of art, and sure enough the very first question on the bar exam - commercial f*cking paper.

Gotta give it to the bar examiners - they have a knack at picking the ultimate sleeper topic every year.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: July 28, 2009, 01:52:30 PM »
Good luck to everyone!!

Ditto.

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