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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Where is everyone?
« on: June 16, 2014, 09:38:13 PM »
 ;D

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General Board / Re: Alito calls USNWR rankings an "abomination"
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:11:34 PM »
We definitely need to do away with the US News & World Report rankings. Even if new ones pop up, so be it. But the current rankings have way too much influence over our profession. It's ridiculous actually.
Something like Above The Law rankings may suffice. I think these rankings really need to be entirely based on employment outcomes and debt to income ratio over ten years. At the end of the day, you're going to law school to get a job and for the most part, you really chart the course of your career after your first lawyer job.

I second that. 

You're absolutely right, law school is professional school, meaning you go specifically to get a job and become a part of the profession.  If you're going to rate law schools, rate them on that.  For me, when I was doing my research to apply to law schools, the employment rates, average starting salaries and tuition were the top 3 criteria that I paid the most attention to because at the end of the day, that's what I was going to be dealing with after graduation.  Can this school get me a job practicing law in the area/field I want to be in?  If not, I really don't give a damn what its ranking is.

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General Board / Re: Citizens United Case Debate?
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:06:21 PM »
Ha! I don't know if we're going to do the Judge Dredd route, but we're definitely not too far away from corporations being full out people, complete with voting rights, rights to privacy, rights to reproduction and all other rights that people currently enjoy under the Constitution. Especially under the John Roberts Court. He seems to be very adamant about skewing the law in favor of all things corporate.

I wonder if someday antitrust merger laws could be overcome by "marriage" ? Seems crazy but I could see some lawyer taking a swing at it
As for reproductive rights, I guess firing all of its top heavy staff could be an "abortion" maybe???

I don't know, that may be a stretch. But Judge Dred would be a cool job. Drone attacks on US citizens abroad without due process kind of feels like Dred meets Robocop a bit though.

Good point.  I do not agree with the Justice Department's interpretation with the Due Process clause when it comes to drone strikes of American citizens abroad.  The Constitution doesn't say that your rights end after you leave the continental United States.  And more to the point, we have Due Process specifically so that the Executive Branch can't do this kind of thing.  The Executive must prove it's case in a court of law before executing somebody.  Period.  That's the cornerstone of American criminal law.

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General Board / Re: Alito calls USNWR rankings an "abomination"
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:02:07 PM »
No lawyer needs USNWR to tell them that Harvard, Yale and Stanford are elite institutions. They were conferring elite pedigrees long before USNWR came up with it's rankings scheme.

The true absurdity of these rankings is the attempt to rank the 190 or so law schools which are not elite. What on earth does it mean to say that New Mexico is in a three way tie for #72 while San Diego is #79? The implication is that New Mexico is somehow a quantifiably "better" school.

The problem is that many young law students make their decision based solely on the rankings. So a young kid from San Diego who wants to live by the beach after law school will decide to go to New Mexico, or Iowa, or Dallas for law school because they've been told that rankings are everything.

As Burning Sands said, the impact is actually ridiculous. It has distorted many young people's ideas about how the legal market works. If you talk to older lawyers they will often tell you that before all of this there was far less distinction between schools. Harvard and Yale et al were always elite, but nobody was freaking out about whether Wisconsin was ranked higher than Illinois.   


Hear hear!!!

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Where is everyone?
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:59:28 PM »
As we discussed in another thread, I think it mainly has to do with the emphasis placed on TLS.  Pre-laws LOVE to talk about making 6-figure salaries in Biglaw as if that's the lottery or something, when in reality (A) most lawyers don't make that and (B) even if you do make $160k/yr, it doesn't mean you're rich.  But I digress.  My point is, those folks migrated en masse to TLS a few years back and have been there ever since.


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Where is everyone?
« on: June 16, 2014, 08:45:12 AM »
Does anyone still come here?

Not as much as they used to but there are still a few of us around.

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General Board / Re: Alito calls USNWR rankings an "abomination"
« on: June 15, 2014, 11:56:38 AM »
We definitely need to do away with the US News & World Report rankings. Even if new ones pop up, so be it. But the current rankings have way too much influence over our profession. It's ridiculous actually.

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General Board / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: June 15, 2014, 11:54:38 AM »
Agreed. 

This site used to be THE site for pre-laws and law students.  I both received and gave out tons of real substantive advice about law school and the legal profession on this site. 

At some point around 2009 when the recession hit and the legal market took a severe downturn, all of the traffic that used to be here all moved over to TLS.

And you already know how they operate over there.
How does "the recession" link into people bouncing from one free site to another free site?
And I lurked on this site even last year and saw WAY more life than now

If you think it was busy last year you should have seen it back in the day pre-2009.

We can only speculate as to why the traffic migrated from this website to TLS but if I had to guess I'd say it probably had something to do with the recession putting that much more focus on the economic viability of deciding to go to law school, which in turn made people focus on the financial investment aspect of what they were getting into, which in turn placed extra focus on going to only the top law schools as opposed to just going to any law school.

Don't get me wrong, there was always a TLS type crowd here on law school discussion but the beauty of law school discussion is that they were just one part of the overall crowd that we had here. You had the folks who were obsessed about rankings and Ivy League law schools and how much money they thought they were going to make as a first year associate in BigLaw, then you also had the folks who were looking to go to law school for other reasons. This site had all of them. But once the recession hit, it seems like all folks wanted to talk about was big law and whether or not they were going to be able to pay off six figure law school debt. TLS quickly became the place to talk about that. And still is to this day.


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General Board / Re: Citizens United Case Debate?
« on: June 15, 2014, 11:09:55 AM »
Ha! I don't know if we're going to do the Judge Dredd route, but we're definitely not too far away from corporations being full out people, complete with voting rights, rights to privacy, rights to reproduction and all other rights that people currently enjoy under the Constitution. Especially under the John Roberts Court. He seems to be very adamant about skewing the law in favor of all things corporate.

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General Board / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: June 14, 2014, 01:27:51 PM »
Agreed. 

This site used to be THE site for pre-laws and law students.  I both received and gave out tons of real substantive advice about law school and the legal profession on this site. 

At some point around 2009 when the recession hit and the legal market took a severe downturn, all of the traffic that used to be here all moved over to TLS.

And you already know how they operate over there.

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