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I'm actually going to go against the grain and tell you to wait a year and apply to some lower T2 schools very early in the next application cycle. With your numbers, you can get into some decent T2s and manage some scholarship money out of them. Just from the rumblings on this board, it seems to me that GG isn't a very good school on the west coast and your opportunities would be very limited graduating from there. Check out LSN, believe me, you can get into some better schools. Good luck.

And you get the Dumbass Award of the day, Hopeful... Look, this obsession with getting in at a higher school at all cost is garbage! Yes, it's nice, but chances are that with applicants every year, we're lucky we get in when we do, especially when it involves free tuition! Don't be prideful! Take GG
Look dude, shut the f*ck up. I've read your posts and at first I was actually happy for you since you've been ecstatic as all hell at the prospect of going to Appalachian in the middle of f'ing nowhere. But now that you've attacked me and actually started posting on other threads that a JD is a JD no matter what school it's from, I'm gonna have to sh*t on you and wish you good luck if you think you'll be getting the same jobs Harvard grads would be getting. Even NYLS grads have a leg up on you. In a perfect world, the "JD is a JD no matter where it comes from" argument would fly, but buddy, we don't live in a perfect world and you'll find it damn near hard to find a decent job coming from that T4 craphole. You know what, yes, I'm not better in that I'll be going to a T3 school, but at least I know better than to come on here and delude people by saying they'll be fine going to a school where many many people in the area have no respect for it. By the people I've seen on LSD and on LSN, it's not a stretch of the imagination that the OP can get into a higher ranked school with his numbers which will open up many many more doors for him. I've always said when it comes to T3/T4 schools you would just go where you'll be happy and where you want to work after graduation, but that advice is for those of us that don't have the stats to get in anywhere better and should just make good with what we have. This guy CAN get in somewhere better. Plus, it doesn't even sound like the OP is overtly happy about going to GG since he's already looking at other options. It's not about being prideful, it's about doing the smart thing for your career...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 11:57:00 PM »
as436, nice to see someone else who detested that place :D and yea i was an aggie.

i guess i'm just biased as i have friends who attended penn and absolutely loved it. i can only speak to my experiences in interviews therefore i guess i can't really talk about the ivy edge with regards to law school. i was just making the assumption that the same held true on the LS level- maybe i'm right, maybe i'm wrong. in the end, as i agreed to earlier in the thread, the OP should just visit Penn and decide based on his visit.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 11:36:33 PM »
as436, yes i went to cornhell. and junetesttaker, i'm really not a prestige whore- i've stated such in my past postings- however, i'm not going to ignore personal experiences in the job hunt where it was made very clear that the employer loved the fact that i went to an ivy league- they acted like i created fire...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 11:06:31 PM »
The lady from Penn said there would definitely be no merit based aid, and chances were slim for need based.

Unfortunately financial situation does not allow me to take a last minute plane flight to Philly.  I think that any decision I make will have to be based upon a great deal of internet research and phone calls to attorneys and friends.

Also, I always feel very uncomfortable telling less than the truth to people.  She said she needed to be confident that I would be at Penn before she would recommend acceptance to the dean, and I do not feel right misleading her.

You owe her nothing. Accept and then visit. This is your life and your decision, why not be informed? Who gives a sh*t about their yield? I will not lead you wrong here. I am telling you to give yourself the chance to properly make a decision....

titcr. 

Honestly, you're not going to get a really accurate view of a school's vibe based off of hearsay and internet research.

GJ's right; your best bet really is to accept, wait a few weeks to save money, visit, then make the ultimate decision.  Yes, it may make you feel icky -- but deciding on Penn only to discover you hate it will make you feel much, much worse.

I'll agree with my drug buddy on this one. ;)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 10:47:39 PM »
Law School Hopeful is smoking crack.  That is all. 

yea thanks for the hit btw.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 10:30:32 PM »
I got the call at 3:00 pm at work.  A lady named Renee told me that I had until Thursday to make a decision.

I loved Duke when I visited and am excited about next year, but before this whole process began Penn was definitely higher on my list.  I don't know if I'll have time to visit, and I'm desperate for any input into this decision.

Important factors:
Duke has offered me $14,000 per year.
Eventually I'd like to do BigLaw back in the midwest (Chicago, KC, STL)
I've never been to the east coast.



What's stopping you from accepting the offer, putting down a deposit, holding a seat at both, and buying some time for a visit and a decision?

DAME why didn't i think of that chef?!!! genius pure genius, now sing us a little song about it!!
       "I'm gonna make love to you Pennn while sitting with Duke by the fire" sorry had to get that out, haha.
Seriously that is the best one, do that if you can. I wasn't sure you could though, i thought Penn would like make you sign the dotted line or something saying that you would withdraw from the other schools, will they make you do this??

I think that will be the case- I didn't think he even had the option to put money down and have more time to deliberate. Schools that make these calls to waitlisters giving them a couple days to make a decision usually want a final answer from you.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 10:03:14 PM »
Go to Penn. If it was higher up on your list at some point I would just go there. While I've never been much of a rankings nazi, I would always make an exception for a T14 school. Your opportunities at BIGLAW would be 10x greater coming out of Penn and you'll be able to work pretty much anywhere. As for money, you can always earn scholarships after your first year. As for the money Duke gave you, if there are conditions attached, you should always assume you'll lose it so there's no guarantee you'll have that 14K after the first year. The east coast may take a little getting used to for someone who is new in the area, but after a year you'll get used to it- keep in mind, it's only for 3 years after which you're free to go back to the mid-west. Besides, Philly (PA) isn't too bad compared to the other states on the east coast (NY, NJ) that really give a bad rep to the area. Good luck.

You think that Penn gives you 10x more options than DUKE?  Now, if we'd said Vanderbilt or Emory, I might buy that, but like you said they're both t14, and Penn is clearly behind HYS/CCN.

For me, Penn being an Ivy League boosts it way over a school that some may feel is comparable. That's my opinion at least.

So you're not actually talking about it providing "10x greater" opportunities in biglaw, you're talking about giving you the personal satisfaction that comes with knowing it's prestigious because it's an Ivy.  Got it.

And of course, you're aware that Stanford isn't an Ivy but its law school is better than Penn's, right?  The same could be said for Chicago and NYU, for that matter.

To the OP: I tend to doubt that Penn is $42,000 better than Duke.  You can get a biglaw job in Chicago from either school.  Not that you can go wrong with either decision, mind you--and you have to decide for yourself if living in a major city is something you want to experience now, or if you'd rather wait until you work there.

ummm no that's not at all what i'm talking about. i've been on many law firm interviews to know that having an ivy league degree means something- if i had a nickel for everytime i heard the term "ivy league" used in my interviews i'd be freakin rich. i went to an ivy league undergrad and i have absolutely no personal satisfaction for having gone there. in fact, i hated my school. but my parents reminded me what benefits there were just from having gone there, and you know what, they were right cuz i witnessed it.

we're not talking about Stanford and Penn, we're talking about Penn and Duke and in this case, you want to go with the Ivy League. Stanford is a great school and it's not an Ivy League. It will undoubtedly trump many Ivy League schools making it an exception to the rule and NOT the norm.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 09:56:50 PM »
Thanks everybody.  I'm obviously in stress-out mode right now.  Maybe if I would have had due diligence and visited/researched all non-ding schools I wouldn't be totally clueless right now. 

How big of a shock will it be going from suburban KC and a college-town state school to the heart of Philly?  I think a city will be exciting, especially 2L and 3L.  However, I don't want the culture shock to take too much of a focus away from school.

I guess since I'm a New Yorker, my perspective is that Philly is quite tame compared to NYC so I don't think it's going to be too much of a culture shock. You'll be spending most of your time in the law school or in your apartment sleeping so I don't even think there will be room for distractions. Outside of the commute to school, you probably won't even know you're in a city.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: FAMU or Cooley?
« on: June 05, 2006, 09:50:06 PM »
Agreed on going to FAMU if you're some sort of minority. However, isn't FAMU on provisional status?? While that won't affect your friend as he or she will still get the same benefits as someone graduating a fully accredited school, it may not look good to employers in the area if FAMU loses its provisional status or even if they don't gain full accreditation.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Help!!! In at Penn off WL!!!
« on: June 05, 2006, 09:41:07 PM »
Go to Penn. If it was higher up on your list at some point I would just go there. While I've never been much of a rankings nazi, I would always make an exception for a T14 school. Your opportunities at BIGLAW would be 10x greater coming out of Penn and you'll be able to work pretty much anywhere. As for money, you can always earn scholarships after your first year. As for the money Duke gave you, if there are conditions attached, you should always assume you'll lose it so there's no guarantee you'll have that 14K after the first year. The east coast may take a little getting used to for someone who is new in the area, but after a year you'll get used to it- keep in mind, it's only for 3 years after which you're free to go back to the mid-west. Besides, Philly (PA) isn't too bad compared to the other states on the east coast (NY, NJ) that really give a bad rep to the area. Good luck.

You think that Penn gives you 10x more options than DUKE?  Now, if we'd said Vanderbilt or Emory, I might buy that, but like you said they're both t14, and Penn is clearly behind HYS/CCN.

For me, Penn being an Ivy League boosts it way over a school that some may feel is comparable. That's my opinion at least.

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