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Current Law Students / Grade Roll Call - Vent and Celebrate
« on: January 12, 2009, 11:06:15 PM »
Erased since no one wanted to share.

Current Law Students / Re: Etiquette question: Discuss about grades ever?
« on: January 12, 2009, 11:02:27 PM »
I only discuss it with close friends or those that really bug me about it. Either way it gets around. I told 1 person my awesome 1L 1st semester grades and it spread like wildfire. Not always a good thing in a competitive and tense environment.

Current Law Students / Re: freaking out about grades
« on: January 07, 2009, 01:33:27 PM »
I am had a dream where I all my grades were numbers instead of letters and they were all 65s and 70s. I also had another dream where a girl who I know is pretty smart told me she got the lowest grade in our legal pro class, and I woke up in a panic. No grades yet. My New Year's resolution is not to check them until they are all up. I have already broken this resolution several times.  :P

I'd keep them for Bar Review purposes. Even though you will be studying Barbri, there may be stuff in your notes and outlines that will help you remember or understand the material more thoroughly (like hypos/examples).

Job Search / Re: Federal Government Honors Programs
« on: January 07, 2009, 01:18:21 PM »
NLRB is still looking to interview people in their regional offices. At a PI Career Fair that is coming up, they will be accepting applications and interviewing students for their regional offices.

Job Search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 07, 2009, 01:16:32 PM »
I guess this can be flamed b/c it is basically me having a pity party for myself. But here goes. I am near the top 10% of my class at a T4 school and do not have a job yet. I am involved in moot court and the works. I just had a callback interview for a firm a week and a half ago. The interview with all three interviewers went very well. I just got a rejection letter from them, 1 day before Christmas. So I am bummed.

I know it could be worse,and there are certainly lawyers and law students in this economy that are hurting worse than I am, but seriously could they have waited until after Christmas? So yeah, I'm bummed. If anyone else is in the same boat, feel free to vent.

I feel for the OP. There seem to be several problems at issue. With some 200 ABA accredited law schools and bar exams that merely test for competence, there is almost no barrier to entry to the profession. Law schools are cash cows for universities, so schools refuse to be upfront about the realities of the job market. Each year more and more JDs get pumped out with nowhere to go. It would be easy to say that the OP should have done his/her research before attending a Tier 4 school, but the truth is that honest information about the legal market is hard to come by. Although I go to a higher ranked school than the OP, I would be a hypocrite if I faulted the OP for making the decision to  go to a Tier 4. I too was ill informed about the job market when I started school.

I just hope that this sort of information will become more available for potential law students. They need to know that attending lower tier schools may not be the best idea.

Yes if I would have been a little wiser I would have busted my ass to transfer to a better school. At this point I am doing an internship this semester with a gov't employer and hope that will lead to something. At least if I get nothing I can still work for them after the bar and get more experience.

Sorry to all the people who are being hurt by the economy. I think it has less to do w/ my school being a T4 then it does with the economy. My school is a very strong regional school, and someone in my position a year or two ago would have little problems getting a job through OCI in their 3rd year (many of the my friends who graduated last year did this). But I guess the message is to keep trying. I am applying to a bunch of PI jobs this week and can only hope someone will look favorably on my PI background and grades.

Current Law Students / Re: How To Respond To People Calling You a Gunner?
« on: January 07, 2009, 01:02:54 PM »
It's fine to vent.  But honestly 1L year wasn't that hard.  You aren't even at the bad part yet.  Law review competition, I thought, was one of the worst times.  And fall of 2L year will break you if you think 1L year is bad.  Perspective will help. Also, if I remember correctly, you are straight from undergrad.  People who worked first may be better at balancing the pressure.

Thank God I'm not the only one who thought 2L Fall semester was a nightmare.

Modified to say - I thought it was worse than 1L. 1L you only need to focus on your classes. 2L you are doing classes, OCI, job search, moot court/law review, etc. etc.

Current Law Students / Re: Should I be really worried?
« on: January 07, 2009, 12:59:37 PM »
The EIC at my school was going for clerkships and biglaw. No bites. Most people I know in my rank were also looking for biglaw and were rejected. It is tough times indeed. Although I don't really have the time for one, I am doing an externship this semester to broaden my experience and maybe make some connections before graduation.

Current Law Students / Re: Should I be really worried?
« on: January 05, 2009, 11:25:47 PM »
I disagree with the statement on 3Ls. At my school, most of my friends are unemployed, and this includes those with top grades and great social skills, the middle of the class, and the bottom of the class. I only know a handful of people that have jobs lined up next year, and they had summer associate positions or were able to land a federal honors program. It seems pretty dismal at our school for the 3Ls

Modified to say - I only bring this up because at some schools the employment situation is really bad, and maybe even worse than the 2L's. I'd really like to see the employment statistics for my graduating class.

Ditto.  I don't know a single person with a job outside of big firms and the federal government.  The EIC of the LR, who has great people skills as far as I can tell, is unemployed, along with the rest of us do-gooder types.  I have also heard that some of the BIGLAW types have had offers rescinded (though I don't have any direct knowledge of this).

Do we go to the same school? The EIC at my school is unemployed too.

Current Law Students / Re: How To Respond To People Calling You a Gunner?
« on: January 05, 2009, 11:22:54 PM »
Whether a flame or not, here is the proper response: Thank them for their valuable input, this will help you realize early on why you may have problems in interviews, etc. You have a few years to fix this issue, work on it.

There are plenty of people who like to participate in class and do so without coming off as gunners. To be a gunner, not only do you have to participate a lot, but you have to do so with an irritating attitude that you are above everyone else.

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