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Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 08, 2008, 08:21:23 AM »
Just a note:   Your diploma devalues drastically after your first job.  After that, it's all about how you performed.  For some people, the schools that you want to shut down are the only option they have to pursue a legal education.  Whether it's funds, geography, poor undergraduate performance, do any of these seem adequate reason to deny someone a legal education? The legal profession is not a secret society.  There are sectors of the legal profession which many from T14 schools go in to on PURPOSE which make LESS than 60k a year ::Gasp::.

The truth is, yes, you will have better job prospects from a 1st or second tier school.  But there is no hidden ball.  If you've made the decision to go to law school, you've done your research.  You know the risks of going to a lower tiered school and you've done so anyway. You look at the reported statistics and take them with a grain of salt (knowing that lowest salaries are never reported...true of T14's as it is for any school.  Probably more so because of elitist attitudes).

To address the economic argument, Prior to law school I was a paralegal and making around 41k a year.  Being a paralegal has a ceiling of about 80k a year which you hit after about 10 years if you're a good paralegal.  After 3 years of lawschool I'll be making 20k more, albeit with 100k invested into it.  If I stayed a paralegal, I would be making roughly 46k at that same juncture(based on a 3% raise per year).  That right there is a 14k difference. Also, having a JD will allow me access to a career path without the glass ceiling of being a paralegal. 

Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 07, 2008, 09:14:46 PM »
I love this stuff. I won't even respond to the inane comments stereotyping T3/T4 schools.  I'll just say this: I'm graduating from a T4 school come fall.  I'm in the top half of my class, but not top third.  I have a 60k Job lined up not 5 minutes from my home in NJ. I'm not going to be raking in the big bucks, but I'll be working for a small but well recognized firm in the area. 


Ok, maybe I will respond to the inane comments.  I don't smoke pot.  I got a 1250 on the SAT's. I graduated from a prestigious high school in my area. Went to Undergrad at Villanova.  The teachers at my school have (with the exception of 1 or 2) been absolutely fabulous.  Some of the teachers at my school also teach in T2's in the area.  My Torts professor taught at Villanova Law. 

USNEWS rankings are not the will of the lord.  They are assembled statistics based upon factors which may never impact your education.  Your education is what you make of it. 

Current Law Students / Re: Spread The Word Before Tuesday
« on: April 06, 2008, 10:01:00 AM »
in response to the experience issue...

It may not be a requirement, but ask yourself this: would you rather be defended by a Lawyer who just passed the bar and you're his first client or a defense lawyer who is well seasoned and done hundreds of cases just like yours?

I came to lawschool a little late myself, (was 26 when I started, and I'll be 28 when I graduate) and I'm graduating a semester early because of summer classes.  Bear in mind, I also have some legal background, as I was a certified paralegal for several years, and have continued a part time working relationship with my former employer throughout law school. 

That being said, I highly advocate summer classes, even if you don't graduate early.  A lot of the pressure which gets in the way of learning evaporates when you only have one or two classes to worry about. If you're in a school with a forced curve, the curve usually is less of a factor in summer classes.  Also, many teachers who are tough to get during the school year become available during the summer. 

As long as you think of some way to get some experience while taking those summer classes, you should be fine.  I think there is a lot to be said for being aggressive in your studies in an interview setting.

Current Law Students / Re: What have you done for me ever?
« on: March 25, 2008, 11:08:42 AM »
my 2 cents.

Lawschool is challenging. It pits you against other classmates directly and rewards you on doing better than other as opposed to direct knowledge of material.

That doesn't mean it defines who you are.  getting graded against other people is a good indicator of how you will do in an adversary job system.

Other than that, what's so bad about law school after the first year?  Once you understand that you put all the pressure on yourself and the shock and awfulness of the first year is over, law school can actually be pretty enjoyable.

To answer the main question of the thread:

Law school has helped me feel like my thoughts and plans are more organized and it has given me confidence to speak out more than I used to.

Current Law Students / Re: Favorite class so far in law school?
« on: March 25, 2008, 10:59:11 AM »
Gonna go with Wills and Trusts.

Current Law Students / Re: Types of Law?
« on: March 25, 2008, 10:58:14 AM »
Most popular is probably PI (Personal Injury)
Least Popular? not too sure. Maybe tax?

Market difficulty is a matter of geography more than field type.

As for law and history? You'll love Consitutional law.

Current Law Students / curve question.
« on: February 25, 2008, 01:27:32 PM »
Ok, so I just got a paper back.  Score was 70 out of 100.

Mean grade must fall between a 2.5-2.85

Here's the class breakdown

4 - between 60-62
7 - between 63-64
7 - between 70-90

Median grade is a 64
Mean is 69.7

What letter grade would you say I have?

Current Law Students / Sum and Substance - administrative law - finz
« on: February 20, 2008, 06:55:17 PM »
has anyone had a chance to listen to this? Is it worth getting?

Current Law Students / Re: What to read over the summer to prepare for IL??
« on: February 20, 2008, 10:39:42 AM »
seems like most good answers already got said.  my advice? Don't do any reading.  Rest your eyes.   I had perfect vision before law school and after one year developed a muscle imbalance in my eyes from all the tiny tiny lettered reading I did. 

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