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Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 15, 2008, 09:30:05 PM »
Ok, so to start off with some rough figures you can get from

NYU average starting salary: 145,000. 
First time bar passage 95%.

Make those numbers work out to 95% of NYU graduates making 200k plus out of school. 

remember, most students who make LESS than others at their school fail to report.

I'll second that comment regarding local practice.  If you plan to stay in NJ, don't go to FLCL. Your best bet is to retake the lsat and reapply, this time with more local schools like Rutgers or Penn State in mind.  You may not get money up front, but what you don't get in scholarship money, you will see thricefold in starting salary which will make those loans that much easier to pay off.   

Then again, if you want to practice in Florida, I hear that jobs are readily available for those in the middle pack of FLCL, albeit not too many of them high paying.

Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 15, 2008, 09:19:10 PM »
95% of NYU grads can get a job paying market. No offense Difrandi but the people at your firm were full of it. Frankly, almost every person at NYU can make over $200,000 a year right out of law school.

This is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've read in these forums.  No doubt 95% of NYU grads will not have a problem obtaining a job, but to say that they will all make over 200k right out of school is ridiculous.  Frankly, I'd say your claims are full of puffery and pudding.

Hell, if we're making broad sweeping generalizations without any factual support, try this on:  72% of all 4th tier grads will eventually make over 100k a year.  22% will make over 150k a year and have a manservant named Guillermo.  6% will fail to take the bar because they are too busy defending their schools on pointless threads on online message boards. 


Current Law Students / Re: What do you feel you learned this year?
« on: April 15, 2008, 01:45:41 AM »
I used to love recreational reading/writing.  Not so much, anymore.

Current Law Students / Re: The Da Vinci crock
« on: April 13, 2008, 12:51:57 AM »
the da vinci cock

if you're gonna do it, may as well do it right:

The Da Vinci Chode

-I hated the book.

er...not to mention that you should take the BAR As soon as you can after you graduate.  The longer you wait, the less you will remember, this is especially true if you go abroad.  Most of the information on that bar is taught in your first year of law school.  Distancing yourself can only damage your chances of passing.

Current Law Students / Re: Why trash T3 and T4 schools?
« on: April 13, 2008, 12:45:10 AM »
Just to throw my 2 cents in:

One thing I've noticed about a lot of t3/t4 students that I know is that they've developed a "naruto" complex. Basically, they feel that the odds are stacked against them, so they'll work as hard as they can to do the best that they can. That's their way of the ninja, I suppose.  Of course, there are others who go out and drink 3/4 nights a week and do the bare minimum to get by.  But I'm guessing that exists in T1/T2 schools, too.   

In the end:  T1/T2 = better out of school employment options.  It's a statistical fact.  Judging the intelligence of the graduating classes of T1/2/3/4 is impossible.  Although it's easier to get into many T3/4 schools, the attrition rate and curves are often brutal.  Many of those who make it to graduation can truly be said to be the best of those who applied.

There are many reasons to go to law school, and if any of them involves wanting to practice Biglaw, you need to go to a T1/2 or be in the top 10% of your class.  If you want a mid size firm offer, you're better off going to a T1/2.  If you want a small size firm offer, you're better off going to a T1/2.  But if you can't get in or don't want to go due to geographical or financial reasons, you don't NEED to go to a T1/2.   Jobs will always be available for those who work hard and for those who are willing to accept less than 'market' rate.  After your first job, your law school reputation may very well be meaningless.

And now back to my motion for summary judgment.

Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 08, 2008, 01:53:38 PM »
No worries T. Durden, I understand what you're saying.  It just comes across a little... caustic.  But anywho, Strictly, I think your statement goes too far. I think there is a lot to be said about the theory courses taken in top 14, and I do think they help with practice of law. If there was one thing I would fix about Widener, it would be less required courses and more allowance for specialization. 

Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 08, 2008, 12:21:21 PM »
The legal job market is not a uniform terrain where there is only room for the 'elite'.  There are many legal jobs for all types of people.   I respect T. Durden's ability to turn a phrase and he certainly has a good vocabulary, but it does nothing to assure me of the veracity of his statements. 

The comments I've seen have been well worded hate speech with little in the way of support. Even though the language is wonderful, I find the argument unconvincing.

PS: Most 3rd or fourth tier students don't go big law. Many because they actually don't want to. I'm not a big fan of hour quota's myself. 

Current Law Students / Re: TTT
« on: April 08, 2008, 11:23:13 AM »
I'll amend that then.  Hopefully if you've made the decision to go to law school, you've done your research. 

and I agree about the misleading statements of law schools, but only insofar as ALL schools mislead.  Not just third and fourth tier schools.

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