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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cornell or Vanderbilt?
« on: April 19, 2007, 10:30:56 PM »

 i see vandy as a school that's gaining recognition while cornell can only go remain stagnant or go down, particularly if people start actually choosing vandy over cornell. 

This statement is puzzling. How can Cornell "only go down?" As far as I can tell, once a t14 school, you're pretty much grandfathered into that spot, barring some sort of complete school scandal/disaster. Cornell remaining "stagnant" isn't exactly a negative. It can't really go up any farther, unless you mean up to the Harvard level or thereabouts which you can say the same for every school besides about 6.
Similarly I don't see how Vanderbilt can expect to gain any further, since it's just as improbable that a school would break into the t14, as a school currently there to drop off, and so Vandy being in that 15-20 place range, is the one that has really no place to go.

Not meant as a flame, just don't understand the suggestion that somehow Vanderbilt is on its way to passing Cornell in ranking/prestige.

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I see my name has been added to the "definite" list, although to be fair and accurate I'm in the 99% sure category but still have a couple waitlists out there, that might change things.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Cornell 1L
« on: April 15, 2007, 06:56:18 PM »
Thanks, Rainwater, that's all very helpful. I can understand the "everyone around you is talking about law school" thing but I'm thinking if you lived in a place off campus it would be with other law school people anyway. Plus, at least everyone keeps roughly the same schedule. I kind of like the lack of shared apartment setup if only from a privacy/concentration standpoint. Having your own space just to study and exist quietly might be a perk.

The internet thing sounds like it sucks, is it just charged as part of your tuition?
I'm used to downloading a ton here where its pretty much unlimited.

Anyway, thanks for your comments.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Cornell 1L
« on: April 14, 2007, 08:44:58 PM »
Just seems to me that as a 1L stranger in a strange land, the last thing you want to worry about is finding housing, getting it furnished, taking care of utilities, finding roommates, worry about subletting, etc. Everyone has to find their own place anyway starting with year 2 but by then you're familiar with the area and there's less to be worried about. Just seems like Hughes is more of a "sure thing" (plus I can't ignore the convenience, especially for those of us who are chronic late risers).
Maplewood I believe is the general graduate housing. I believe its like apartment style where you share the apartment with roommates (but have your own room of course). I'm pretty sure the bus stops by there, but how often?
I believe Hughes is more dorm style, where you have your own room and then there are other shared common areas like kitchens that have separate access. Is this correct?
I notice Maplewood is air conditioned while I don't believe Hughes is. I know its like -0 most of the year anyway, but for the beginning and ends of the academic years would this be a problem?
Also, what's this CUTV cable through internet wires thing that's available in the dorms like? Are there any problems with that or does it work fine generally?

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Cornell 1L
« on: April 14, 2007, 05:52:30 PM »
Does anyone have any info on Maplewood? Would it be ok for a law student to live there? And do any buses run from there to the school (I won't have a car and would like to know if there's a bus from there on the really bad days that I don't feel like walking)?

I think our questions pages back about Hughes Hall still have gone unanswered, doesn't seem like anybody has much to say about the campus housing, which is where I'm  trying to turn my attention as the next critical decision.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Cornell 1L
« on: April 13, 2007, 03:02:19 AM »
Really thinking about Cornell lately.  I get warm and fuzzy thinking about it. 

That's good. It will keep you warm when its cold and fuzzy (snow) outside.  ;)

Sent it in last week, but I'll make it official here!

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Wow. You worked really hard on that.

Its pretty much straight from my own thoughts and deliberations in making a similar decision(although if I was getting money from the other like he is it woudln't have even been a struggle), names of schools changed to protect the innocent.  8)

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Which situation would you regret more?

You go to UVA. You struggle a bit more than you thought you would at first as law school is quite an adjustment. Your grades are OK, not top 10 or 20% but solid, definitely in the top half of your class. You know that your school is a t14 and that your job opportunities will be fine regardless, so you're able to use that peace of mine to relax and just focus on getting the most out of your experience. You're still very worried about all that debt though. You had a 45k scholarship that helps, but only makes a dent. Based on a strong resume and the strength of your school's name, you get a summer associate position that allows you to pay off even more of the debt before your out of school and the interest starts to accrue. You get out with your dream of getting a clerkship but there's still plenty more debt to be paid off first, but no lack of impressive job offers with 6 figure salaries that will go a long way towards paying the rest off more quickly. It's not where you want to be though. The work is boring, and hours are long. You are not generally happy where you are, but you have to work the same grind for a few more years. But the light at the end of the tunnel is that if you're persistent, the debt will be paid off, you'll still be young and have tons of mobility to do what you really want, including a clerkship opportunity. There is a risk that you will regret shortly after law school not taking the full ride at BU, being out of most your debt more quickly and not forced into work you don't want to be doing.

Or...

You go to BU. You struggle a bit more than you thought you would at first as law school is quite an adjustment. Your grades are OK, not top 10 or 20% but solid, definitely in the top half of your class. There's no need to worry about money, as your debt is practically taken care of. But, you quickly realize that being in the top 50% is not exactly "good enough" for some of the more prestigious jobs you're after, including that judicial clerkship. You do have some strong offers to work for firms in the Boston area, but that's not really where you want to be, but not being in the top 10 or 20% or so of the class (who can count on such a thing?), you realize you will have to do more legwork and networking than your peers ou find a job you at t14 schools. This adds a lot of undue stress and burden on you, but you find a job you think you'll be comfortable with. It doesn't pay the top dollar and its not quite the work you want to be doing, but it pays the bills. There is a risk that you could be sitting there for the rest of your life thinking "what if?" and regretting not taking the UVA acceptance and how opportunities might have been different if you had.

NOW, Im not saying at all this is how things will go (and PLEASE do not confuse it as some sort of anti-BU post, because its far from it. Its more just the same situation many find themselves in, and is ultimately a big part of the way I made a similar decision). You think of what's the worst regret for option A: working harder for a few years to pay back money. What's option B's worst regret? Questioning your decision and wondering how things might have been otherwise. That weighs a lot deeper.

I hope my little thought experiment made sense. You obviously in your heart and gut want to go to UVA. YOUR GETTING MONEY TO GO TOO!! Not as much but thats more than most will get. Take it and look at the long term. Short term pain for long term gain.

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If you want to work in Boston go to BU. If you think you want to work anywhere else, go with UVA. Getting a 45,000 scholarship from a t14, and your highest rank school for that matter(I'd assume) is a rare feat that should be cherished. Take advantage of it. It's giving you a head start in paying the loans backs and the rest will be taken care in short time through the large salaries practically guaranteed coming from UVA.

Similarly, if your heart is telling you UVA, you might regret one day not going, and you never want to regret an important decision like that and think "what if?" As mentioned, the money will be made back, everyone does it, the law school on your resume is with you forever, be fully confident in your decision, whatever it is.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: GW vs Cornell
« on: April 13, 2007, 01:19:02 AM »
From what I hear, Cornell tends to be fairly generous with financial aid grants.

You heard wrong.

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