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Where should I go next fall? / Cardozo vs. Depaul
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:39:04 PM »
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Law School Applications / Re: Kaplan or Princeton Review
« on: April 07, 2006, 05:03:34 PM »
Neither. Go with Powerscore or Testmasters as these are pretty much considered the best classes. Kaplan is the McDonald's of test prep-- best advertising, great presentation, terrible content (not to mention that teachers aren't required to make a certain score on the LSAT themselves). I took Powerscore and was thoroughly impressed. My teacher scored a 178, my class had a mere 8 people and we learned as much as one could possibly expect. Cheers.

Agreed. Kaplan is crap. The course offered little tricks on eliminating bad answer choices for Logical Reasoning and Reasoning Comp, but you don't learn much beyond that. Logic Games techniques were half-way decent, but I taught myself from the materials - instruction was poor, to say the least. Go with TestMasters. I hear good things about it. Kaplan instructors only have to score in the 90th percentile to qualify. TestMasters instructors are required to score in the 99th percentile. It also offers more in class instruction than Kaplan's LSAT (note: the new class offered may have more in class hours). http://www.testmasters180.com/

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Law School Applications / Re: THE SUB 150 CLUB...WE DESERVE A THREAD!
« on: April 07, 2006, 04:19:56 PM »
I'm a little confused by norcaldude's comment...
Not the best schools, but some of them are decent, and they're acceptances nonetheless. 

Acceptances at those schools don't count unless they come with full fee waivers, because paying for tuition there has a negative present value.  At least at lower Tier 1s, if you think you're smarter than the average student, you *might* come out ahead, even after the tuition and opportunity costs are accounted for.  Not at those schools.  Regardless of other factors.  For most, unless your undergraduate degree is particularly worthless, even attending some of the schools (e.g. Golden Gate, Detroit Mercy...) for zero tuition is a bad investment.

So if you go to a top school(is that what you meant by Tier 1?) and "think you're smarter than the average student" you do well?? Haha, wow, not according to my friends who have gone onto great schools. It's tough. Not really sure what that point was...maybe it's me.

Even the sentence "zero tuition is a bad investment" is funny to me. If you are not paying for school, but simply investing your time and come away with a degree...how does that hurt? Clearly these people are interested in investing 3 years in school. I hate to bring up your personal factors, but according to LSN, a 171 doesn't get you into NYU, Berkley or UCLA. Wow, shows that LSAT isn't everything doesn't it.

Ouch! I agree that those statements were not encouraging. Here's something that is encouraging, though. I won't say any names, because I'm sure my family friends would not want me talking about them online, there are some very successfull lawyers that did not go to t-14. In fact they graduated from Tier3 and 4. It's not impossible to do well if you graduate from a Tier 3 or 4. It does require extra work, because you won't start off at the best/biggest firms, but if you are intelligent and savvy, you can still do well.

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Law School Rankings / USNWR '07 - what does it mean?
« on: March 31, 2006, 03:12:38 PM »
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Law School Applications / The Beach
« on: March 29, 2006, 01:35:21 PM »
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Law School Applications / Re: Post-Undergrad WE???
« on: March 29, 2006, 12:54:48 PM »
I'm new to the board, but I have yet to see a thread addressing my specific question so I thought I'd throw it out there...

In other threads I HAVE looked at, some posters have suggested that post-undergraduate work experience can prove helpul in the application process, namely to those that are low-end on the UGPA scale and are looking for a boost to their application(like myself)?

I wanted to know how many posters have found this to be true, specifically: Are there certain schools that appreciate work experience more than others? How much time do you think would suffice to really enhance an application? Should the work experience be law-related to more positively affect your chances of admission?

I'm just asking for opinions, but if anyone has experiences to share, it would really help me out a lot. Thanks in advance!

The longer you've been out of UG, the less your GPA will matter. Law school, as has been stated many times on this board, is mainly a numbers game. If UGPA is low, make sure you do well on the LSAT. Shoot for a 170, or at least high 160s. Good work experience will give you a minimal boost, unless you've got high level recs from the experience (congressman, CEO of big company etc.). Work experience will give you more of a boost if you're applying to a part-time program, where soft-factors make more of a diff (part-time program admissions don't get calculated into the schools ranking). Just make sure you do well on the LSAT.

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Law School Applications / Re: my ex got into a better school - ughh
« on: March 29, 2006, 12:18:29 PM »
Ehh..I think law schools are well aware that applicants who score well on their LSATs are Mensa material. Almost all Top-20 school applicants qualify. It goes without saying. I'm a member of Mensa (got in based on my GMAT score). Yeah, it's attracted attention to my resume when I applied for jobs. But if you put it on a resume for LS, I think you will be evaluated based on your level of activity in it (it's an EC activity). Did you go to meetings/activities with all those senior citizens?

It really helps for job interviews?  I would have thought people would just think one was arrogant for even joining the organization.


I think you would be right.  I'd stay away from that.  I mean, maybe if the qualifications for joining were getting a 180 or something, but as it stands...I wouldn't bother.

If you got a 180, to heck with Mensa! You would qualify with a 178 for one or more of the 99.9th percentile societies.

They only require a score in the 90th percentile of the LSAT (163).

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Law School Applications / Re: my ex got into a better school - ughh
« on: March 29, 2006, 12:10:49 PM »
Ehh..I think law schools are well aware that applicants who score well on their LSATs are Mensa material. Almost all Top-20 school applicants qualify. It goes without saying. I'm a member of Mensa (got in based on my GMAT score). Yeah, it's attracted attention to my resume when I applied for jobs. But if you put it on a resume for LS, I think you will be evaluated based on your level of activity in it (it's an EC activity). Did you go to meetings/activities with all those senior citizens?

It really helps for job interviews?  I would have thought people would just think one was arrogant for even joining the organization.


I think you would be right.  I'd stay away from that.  I mean, maybe if the qualifications for joining were getting a 180 or something, but as it stands...I wouldn't bother.

If you got a 180, to heck with Mensa! You would qualify with a 178 for one or more of the 99.8th percentile societies.

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Law School Applications / Re: my ex got into a better school - ughh
« on: March 29, 2006, 12:09:12 PM »
Ehh..I think law schools are well aware that applicants who score well on their LSATs are Mensa material. Almost all Top-20 school applicants qualify. It goes without saying. I'm a member of Mensa (got in based on my GMAT score). Yeah, it's attracted attention to my resume when I applied for jobs. But if you put it on a resume for LS, I think you will be evaluated based on your level of activity in it (it's an EC activity). Did you go to meetings/activities with all those senior citizens?

It really helps for job interviews?  I would have thought people would just think one was arrogant for even joining the organization.

It's not always arrogance / ego that motivates someone to join. There are people, like myself, who are actually interested in participating in some of the community assistance projects MENSA members organize; and they offer some fun activities. Is it arrogant to join NHS when your in highschool?

I didn't know they did community projects -- I just thought they all got together and did puzzles.

http://www.us.mensa.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/Programs/CommunityService/CommunityServices.htm

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Law School Applications / Re: my ex got into a better school - ughh
« on: March 29, 2006, 12:07:29 PM »
Ehh..I think law schools are well aware that applicants who score well on their LSATs are Mensa material. Almost all Top-20 school applicants qualify. It goes without saying. I'm a member of Mensa (got in based on my GMAT score). Yeah, it's attracted attention to my resume when I applied for jobs. But if you put it on a resume for LS, I think you will be evaluated based on your level of activity in it (it's an EC activity). Did you go to meetings/activities with all those senior citizens?

It really helps for job interviews?  I would have thought people would just think one was arrogant for even joining the organization.

It's not always arrogance / ego that motivates someone to join. There are people, like myself, who are actually interested in participating in some of the community assistance projects MENSA members organize; and they offer some fun activities. Is it arrogant to join NHS when your in highschool?

Okay, I've never heard of these activities, but I do think a lot of people (not necessarily you) DO join to stroke their own ego.

I fully agree. If all you're doing is carrying around your membership card for the sake of it, that's lame.

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