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General Board / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 02, 2006, 10:08:21 PM »
why are people wasting their time comparing harvard and cooley?  obviously they arent equal.  maybe cooley has a few students that could be top students at harvard but as a general rule, the students who are accepted to harvard are simply more qualified students than the ones at cooley. 

the comparison is stupid.  look at this from a realistic prospective.  take the top 20 or so schools out of the picture, they are exceptions to the rule in basically all situations, at least in getting that first job.


stop compariing cooley and harvard. 

more likely cooley and msu would be competing for jobs.  something like that.  and harvard grads with BU or BC or NYU grads. 


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General Board / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 02, 2006, 04:01:12 PM »
oh and personally i think that if you recieved a ranking in a specific class or overall of 120/120 or 115/120 or something like that, it would be more of a wake up call to, "you better start rethinking what you want as a future career, or whether this school is the right place for you" than a GPA of 2.0 or 1.7 or something would be.


overall i think my reasoning and logic is airtight.  im perfect, as usual.  you may argue but you shall lose. 

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General Board / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 02, 2006, 03:48:50 PM »
i understand the arguement that GPA helps to show the difference between the top students.  like number stands out more if he/she is at 4.0 and number 2 is at 3.8 or 3.7 or something like that.  but in reality the employer wont know that, unless by chance #1 and #2 apply to the same firm, in which case the firm will probably not favor either one of them based simply on ranking but rather on their interview. 

i'm not saying that every ABA school should have a set curve, like 3.0, although that might help the situation.  what i think is that it would a better way to grade students if they were graded like this.

Overall 40/120 rank

Torts   25/120 rank (here they could give an equivalent grade, such as saying "Approximately B+" however this would bear no significance other than an idicator of where u stand)

Contracts  60/120 (approximately C)

something like this.  just give a ranking for where u stand for each class.  it would provide an indicator of where u stand on each subject just like standards grades do, but it would eliminate the need for GPA and there for clear up all the curve differientiations.  granted this wouldnt show how far ahead of 2 you are if your number 1 but either do A,B,and C's.  GPA gives an indication of that, but u never see other peoples grades first of all, and it shouldnt really matter, since u should just try your best regardless of where your ranked or what your GPA is.  If 40th precentile is the best you can do, does it matter what the person at the 30th percentile is?  if your doing everything you can odds are unless they give up you wont be able to catch them. 

i just think that GPA's are too arbitrary depending on the school you attend.  class rank is a better indicator because GPA's can help and hurt students that are completely equal based simply on the school they went to and the curve used at that institution.


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General Board / Re: Quarter System?
« on: March 02, 2006, 03:33:05 PM »
sorry, i'll clarify.  the school i will be attending uses the quarter system and i was wondering what people had to say about it.  does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with it, and those not on the quarter system would u prefer it, or do u think the standard semester syestem is ok?

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General Board / Re: Anna Nicole Goes to Washington - For Some Cash
« on: March 02, 2006, 12:30:33 PM »

give the money to the stripper. its a funnier ending.


true, but america doesn't usually go with funnier endings, unless it's in its funny moments ..


anna nicole in the supreme court?  thats not a funny moment?  better believe i get a chuckle out of it when i hear legitimate reporters and analyists talking about it.

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General Board / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 02, 2006, 12:28:47 PM »
i think everyone is pushing it a little far with the cooley vs. harvard comparison.  obviously the two schools are worlds apart, and while the top students at cooley may be there for certain reasons we dont know, its an unrealistic comparison with perhaps 1 or two students who may be exceptional at cooley. 

obviously students at the top 20 or so schools have an advantage and can pull off a lower gpa and class rank and still be seen as being a top student simply from the schools reputation.  beyond this mark though, most schools go from being national to be regional schools, and it may be a stretch to say that the top 20 schools are national.  but after this students begin to be compared against one another with factors other than their school, mostly class rank, gpa, and random soft factors. 

so while the harvard vs. cooley argument is a little far fetched, much more often you would see employers looking at resumes from people from Pitt vs. Duquesne, or Temple vs. Villanova vs. Widener, or Syracuse vs. Pace, or something like this. 

odds are the person doing the hirering will be fairly impartial unless he/she went to one of the schools.  he/she will be impartial cause odds are there are people in the firm who went to one of the regional schools (look at the list of law firm partners and associates, its filled with people from regional schools).  anyway, this would mean that students would once again be judged against each other and without a doubt GPA would be evaluated and depending on the curve, one schools grad's would have a distinct advantage. 

i think that there really is no need for curves because class rank is sufficient and GPA's have too many holes in them.  obviously in the cooley vs. harvard example odds are a person graduating last in harvards class has a better shot than someone in a top percentile at cooley but that comparison is just too far fetched to consider.  but a comparison on someone from regional schools that are essentially equal in class rank but have different GPA's gives the schools grads with the softer curver an advantage when getting jobs. 


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General Board / Quarter System?
« on: March 01, 2006, 10:54:13 PM »
hey, is anyone elses school out there on a quarter system?  i know only very few schools use the system but i was wondering if anyone has any experience in the system and any opinion of it. positive or negative.  i cant figure out if the quarter system is better or worse and im looking for some advice. 

thanks.

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General Board / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 01, 2006, 08:31:25 PM »
i just feel like the gpa is a poor indicator of how people do in law school since virtually every school ranks their students, and becauase of that law schools should use a higher curve in order to help their students get better jobs.  i understand that they are kind of an indicator of how well you did, but they are a poor indicator in comparison to class rank. 

put yourself in the employers shoes....would u rather have someone who had a 3.4 and was top 25% of the class, or would u rather have someone with a 3.0 who was in the top 10%.  obviously the top 10% is better but the gpa doesnt indicate that.    i think most employers would select the top 10% student regardless of the fact that he/she has a lower GPA.  so this really indicates that curves dont make sense, because the student with the lower gpa is more valueable to the employer. 

does this make sense to anyone else?


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General Board / Re: Anna Nicole Goes to Washington - For Some Cash
« on: March 01, 2006, 08:19:23 PM »
give the money to the stripper. its a funnier ending.


that old guy must have hated his family.

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General Board / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 01, 2006, 12:48:31 AM »
it still doesnt sound like anyone really agrees with me when saying that gpa's are pointless when schools have a curve and rank their students. 

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