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Current Law Students / Re: Crim Pro final...
« on: March 30, 2008, 02:16:18 PM »
Have you looked at MBE material, eg., PMBR? The Crim Pro section won't be as large as the Crim Law, but you'll get questions.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Chances...
« on: March 30, 2008, 02:13:48 PM »
Slacker, I think peaches meant "killer" in a bad way.
I think so, also, and I highlighted that text because I agree with that point. Despite all the talk about soft factors, the LSAT/GPA are ultimately going to make the difference.

As others have said about the OP, the undergrad GPA can't be changed at this point. The soft factors are quite good. The only thing in the OP's control is the LSAT score; that's where to concentrate any efforts.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Chances...
« on: March 29, 2008, 12:16:05 PM »
Even with the minority status and the very good experience, that LSAT score when combined with that GPA is killer.  You've got to push that LSAT score up to about 150. I'd make pushing that LSAT up to 150 your first goal, and then retake shooting for a 155-160.  Even if it means putting off the law school application process.  Unfortunately, your undergraduate GPA and your LSAT score will be major determining factors.  Your grad school GPA is just considered another "boost" like having a good resume.

As part of your research process, you should also really think about what you want to do out of law school and what the employment market looks like out of the schools you're considering.  Consider asking the career service offices for their (detailed) employment data and a list of jobs that this year's 3L and 2L class have accepted.  If a lot of them are doing something you'd want to do, then great.  If not, I'd look long and hard about whether it's worth the debt and 3 years. 

You can do a lot with a very good resume and a master's in education. 
titcr - I put the most important point of that post in bold. You've got great "soft" factors, but when push comes to shove, GPA (undergrad) and LSAT score are going to rule. The points about the job market are ones to really take into account, also. I'm not one to say "don't go", but I think it is in your best interest to fully research things at this point.

Check out the NCBEX site:

Current Law Students / Re: Recommended classes
« on: March 23, 2008, 08:53:56 PM »
You can get the basics of drafting a will or trust instrument in a T&E class. The class probably won't give you the knowledge to advise a client on tax implications, the best instruments for their needs, etc., etc. It's good to have to get the language down. A lot of states test T&E on the bar for essays. The last two MBEs have included very simple will principles in a question or two.

The MBE tests criminal procedure (4th/5th/6th amendments). I took a class on that for bar reasons and was glad that I had. It can also be an essay topic, depending on the state where you take the bar.

As someone suggested, trademarks could be helpful. Then again, if your school offers a class in licensing, that may be better given your commercial law focus. If not, trademarks or trade secrets or something along those lines.

Anyway, it sounds like you have a good list. Don't worry about taking a class or two because you like the area of law -- like the law and econ class -- unless your program is really so tight you can't fit it in. If you need ideas on what else to take, look at what's on the bar in the state where you're taking the bar and fill in any gaps as needed.

I agree with smujd. A lot of what you get from bar study depends on your level of discipline. If you do BarBri (regardless of the format) they will give you a study schedule. Whether you're attending live lectures or doing self-study, you still need to go to classes, review materials, practice the essays, etc. You need to use the time after BarBri/prior to bar to continue to work on the materials.

I also did a separate PMBR for the MBE subjects. I think partially due to this, my MBE was stronger than my essays. If your school has good MBE lectures, then you can probably skip the PMBR, although you can always look at getting a set of the books for practice. Overall, I thought PMBR was better for MBE than BarBri.

If NY essays include MBE subjects, then the MBE study will also help you learn rules required for those essays. (I'm not sure what NY tests of MBE subjects.)

Current Law Students / Re: Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit
« on: March 17, 2008, 09:10:48 PM »
The fed circuit doesn't hear patent cases? Interesting theory. Interesting name droppage tossing in Skadden. Not really buying it, though.

Just for my own amusement, I thumbed through a few articles in an AIPLA journal I have here. Pretty much every appellate case for the patent-related articles are Fed. Cir. or C.C.P.A.

Now, if you're talking copyright or trademark infringement then I'd consider the courts mentioned. But patent, if the Fed. Circ. isn't doing patent cases, what are they doing? I really don't think the caseload on items like federal claims is truly that burdensome.

As for how to get to clerk, network with your law profs, esp. IP profs. They all know people who know people. See who knows a former clerk from the Fed. Circuit at another school. Someone has to.

Current Law Students / Re: Courses to take in preparation of bar exam
« on: March 16, 2008, 11:40:22 AM »
I agree on the state-related courses. See what's tested in the state where you plan to take the bar. Eg., Corporations/Business Associations, Agency, Partnership; Secured Transactions; Commercial Paper; Family law; State-specific subjects such as civ pro, evidence, or prof. responsibility; Oil and gas law; etc.

As far as MBE, make sure you have not just basic contracts but UCC2, and also Criminal Procedure (4th/5th/6th amendments).

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Working during Bar Study
« on: March 15, 2008, 01:06:50 PM »
What's the typical way to do this?  Is it a bad idea to work during bar study?  What do most people do?
Most people don't work. Or if they do start prepping whele they're working, they take off for the last 2-3 weeks prior to the bar.

At some point, you and most of your classmates will probably graduate and become peers as lawyers. You may have to work together, or at least cooperate as adversaries. In any case, your life will probably be easier just on that point if you can maintain civil relationships. Of course, if you actually want people to help you out at some point, aim a little higher in terms of getting along.

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