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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: ABA versus Non-ABA; marathon LSAT-taker
« on: November 08, 2012, 07:49:40 AM »

Honestly, I'd never even heard of most of the schools you mentioned (except Cooley) before reading this post....

If you have never heard of the University of Massachusetts then that fact does not reflect favorably upon your credibility since UMass is the Massachusetts'
public university.

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Roald .... 'fess up; what is your connection to ABA unaccredited law schools?  are you a student, grad or employee?


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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: ABA versus Non-ABA; marathon LSAT-taker
« on: November 07, 2012, 07:34:05 PM »
Don't go to a non ABA accredited school unless you have exhausted all other options.

You should consider recent ABA accredited University of Massachusetts School of Law which had a median LSAT of 144 for the class that started in August 2012.  The class profile is set forth in the below link:
http://www.umassd.edu/media/umassdartmouth/schooloflaw/admissions/law_profile_2011.pdf

Before you attend a Non ABA- California only accredited school you should first consider a law school that is committed to gaining ABA accreditation.  Law schools seeking ABA accreditation are frequently new law schools started by established colleges, universities or law schools which has the necessary financial resources to achieve ABA accreditation. 

The following law schools are seeking ABA accreditation:

** Belmont College is a respected 4 year College in Tennessee started a new law school and is working towards accrediation but to my knowledge it has not had the ABA site team review yet.
http://www.belmont.edu/law/index.html

** Concordia University is an established college with an enrollment of 3,100+/- studets in Portland Oregon.  Concordia statrted a new law school in Boise Idaho and welcomed its first law school class this falll (2012) . I am not sure why a school in Oregon chose to start a new law school in Idaho but it did.
http://www.concordialaw.com/

**  John Marshall Law School (Atlanta) was accredited by the ABA in 2005. John Marshall Law School decided to expand enrollment and this fall opened a new campus in Savannah Georgia as "The Savannah law School".
http://www.savannahlawschool.org/

** The Indiana Tech Law School will open in Fort Wayne in the fall 2013.  Indiana Tech is a private college founded in 1931.  It is a respected undergrad school with an undergrad enrollment of 5000+/- students. 
http://www.indianatech.edu/Academics/Law/Pages/default.aspx

** The Thomas M. Cooley School of Law with four (4) existing law school campuses in (i) Lansing Michigan, (ii) Grand Rapids Michigan, (iii) Auburn Hills Michigan, and (iv) Ann Arbor Michigan expanded enrollment by opening a fifth (5th) law school location in Tampa Florida this year.
http://www.cooley.edu/tampabay/

Let me repeat- -  only attend a non ABA accredited law school after you have exhausted all efforts and been rejected by the above established schools which are working towards accreditation.

Good luck & don't get discouraged.



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Syracuse / Warning regarding Syracuse Law
« on: June 23, 2012, 09:03:23 PM »
In September 2011 Syracuse Law implemented a new grading policy which has mad life for the SuLaw Class of 2014 miserable.  The result of the onerous grading policy has been to lead to a record number of academic casualties for the 2014 class.  The curve sets a portion of the SU students for failure. 

In addition to the number of students that have been forced out or quit SU's Class of 2014, the new grading curve has made it difficult for students to attain the 3.0  necessary to retain scholarship money and forcing the students into greater debt than when they decided to attend.  I am told by SU Law students that the grading policy has made the school much more cut throat.

Please understand that the students you compete with in Law School also got all "A''s" and "B's" in college.

I have provided a link to the grading policy below:
http://law.syr.edu/professional-career-development/employers/on-and-off-campus-interview-program/grading-policy.aspx

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Arizona V. Syracuse
« on: February 04, 2012, 04:22:05 AM »
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In my opinion this is a no brainer- Arizona is a better choice for you.

There will be substantially better job prospect in Arizona than Upstate New York.  Also Arizona's in state tuition will be far less than $yracu$e's.

Good luck.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: UMass Law
« on: January 16, 2012, 06:16:32 AM »
We don't disagree that UMass will ultimately get accredited now that it has been merged with the Massachussets state system.  My point is that the firing of Dean Ward and the litigation regarding LMU may cause the UMass Ccrediation to be delayed. 

If you "google" Massachusettss School of law versus ABA ( or some variation thereof) you will see that approximately 10 years ago the litigation occurred and that mass Law lost but commentary in some subsequent articles indicate that the ABA standards were revised by the ABA thereafter.  If I recall the dispute had to do with Mass  (I)  not having sufficient Library resources which it claimed were unneeded because of technological advances since the 1900s and ( ii) not having sufficient full time professors to teach because Mass Law used adjuncts.  Mass alw claimed that the adjuncts composed of practicing attorneys and judges in the area was sufficient.  The ABA requires a ratio of  more expensive full time professors.

If you google  "Southern New Englanf  law School law suit" of some variation you will see that when  SNEL ( pre UMass merger) was denied accreditation one or more students sued SNEL alleging that the school had represented that it would,receive ABA accreditation before they graduated.  SNEL won the lawsuit but shows that ABA accreditation is never a sure thing.

My guess is tha UMass gets accredited this year or next.  If UMass had not become a part of the atate of Massachusetts system I would not think so.  The reality is however that the ABA must shut down the flood
gates of new law schools and existing schools expanding their class size to generate more money.

Good luck to al that read this post.  Keep confidence and don.'t give up.
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I typed this on an iPad so my typing skills are less than accurate so I apologize for the many typos.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: UMass Law
« on: January 15, 2012, 08:08:15 AM »
I formerly believed that the merger of the Southern New England School of Law into UMass created a certainty that ABA accreditation was a done deal.  I still believe that because of  the resources of the State of Massachusetts that in time the school will be accredited and grow into a respectable school but I now believe that that process may be longer and more painful than originally thought for the following 2 reasons:

- the ABA turned down the accreditation of Linclon Memorial University (LMU) in Tennessee in December 2100 and is being sued to reverse its position.  While that litigation is underway  the ABA will be very cautious to not admit a school whose may have a factor similar to LMU.  Reports indicate that LMU had LSAT numbers higher than 6 ABA accredited law schools and that its denial was over management of the school and its curriculum. Recall also that unaccrediated Massachusetts Law School (MLS)(still in existence) previously sued the ABA over accreditation.  Although MLS lost its lawsuit it nevertheless caused the ABA to change its accreditation proces.

-  UMass sacked their longtime Dean Robert Ward in October 2011 just prior to the ABA accreditation visit.  News reports indicate that Ward's dismissal  regarded personal  expenses ($2,500+/-)which he put on his expense account and was not related to the discharge of his duties as Dean.  It is unfortunate that Dean Ward who had quaterbaacked the merger process would be terminated at such a critical process and for such a small sum of money.  If in fact Ward's dismissal was solely related to some lousy unauthorized expenses then it would seem that UMass could have metered less severe punishment  that would have allowed him to complete the ABA accreditation  process since stability of a school is a critical,component of the ABA's decision.
 
The bottom line:  I believe that UMass will be provided provisional accreditation, perhaps as early as June 2012 but I would not be surprised,if it is delayed over the above 2 issues.  I will be surprised if an applicant that enrolls at UMass Law this Fall will not ultimately graduate from an ABA accredited but the process may not be a straight and easy as you think.  If UMass Law makes sense to you then proceed cautiously but proceed.

Good luck to all.

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Note:  I typed this on an iPad and apologize for the many typos.

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