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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: UMass Law
« on: January 16, 2012, 03:16:32 AM »
We don't disagree that UMass will ultimately get accredited now that it has been merged with the Massachussets state system.  My point is that the firing of Dean Ward and the litigation regarding LMU may cause the UMass Ccrediation to be delayed. 

If you "google" Massachusettss School of law versus ABA ( or some variation thereof) you will see that approximately 10 years ago the litigation occurred and that mass Law lost but commentary in some subsequent articles indicate that the ABA standards were revised by the ABA thereafter.  If I recall the dispute had to do with Mass  (I)  not having sufficient Library resources which it claimed were unneeded because of technological advances since the 1900s and ( ii) not having sufficient full time professors to teach because Mass Law used adjuncts.  Mass alw claimed that the adjuncts composed of practicing attorneys and judges in the area was sufficient.  The ABA requires a ratio of  more expensive full time professors.

If you google  "Southern New Englanf  law School law suit" of some variation you will see that when  SNEL ( pre UMass merger) was denied accreditation one or more students sued SNEL alleging that the school had represented that it would,receive ABA accreditation before they graduated.  SNEL won the lawsuit but shows that ABA accreditation is never a sure thing.

My guess is tha UMass gets accredited this year or next.  If UMass had not become a part of the atate of Massachusetts system I would not think so.  The reality is however that the ABA must shut down the flood
gates of new law schools and existing schools expanding their class size to generate more money.

Good luck to al that read this post.  Keep confidence and don.'t give up.

I typed this on an iPad so my typing skills are less than accurate so I apologize for the many typos.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: UMass Law
« on: January 15, 2012, 05:08:15 AM »
I formerly believed that the merger of the Southern New England School of Law into UMass created a certainty that ABA accreditation was a done deal.  I still believe that because of  the resources of the State of Massachusetts that in time the school will be accredited and grow into a respectable school but I now believe that that process may be longer and more painful than originally thought for the following 2 reasons:

- the ABA turned down the accreditation of Linclon Memorial University (LMU) in Tennessee in December 2100 and is being sued to reverse its position.  While that litigation is underway  the ABA will be very cautious to not admit a school whose may have a factor similar to LMU.  Reports indicate that LMU had LSAT numbers higher than 6 ABA accredited law schools and that its denial was over management of the school and its curriculum. Recall also that unaccrediated Massachusetts Law School (MLS)(still in existence) previously sued the ABA over accreditation.  Although MLS lost its lawsuit it nevertheless caused the ABA to change its accreditation proces.

-  UMass sacked their longtime Dean Robert Ward in October 2011 just prior to the ABA accreditation visit.  News reports indicate that Ward's dismissal  regarded personal  expenses ($2,500+/-)which he put on his expense account and was not related to the discharge of his duties as Dean.  It is unfortunate that Dean Ward who had quaterbaacked the merger process would be terminated at such a critical process and for such a small sum of money.  If in fact Ward's dismissal was solely related to some lousy unauthorized expenses then it would seem that UMass could have metered less severe punishment  that would have allowed him to complete the ABA accreditation  process since stability of a school is a critical,component of the ABA's decision.
The bottom line:  I believe that UMass will be provided provisional accreditation, perhaps as early as June 2012 but I would not be surprised,if it is delayed over the above 2 issues.  I will be surprised if an applicant that enrolls at UMass Law this Fall will not ultimately graduate from an ABA accredited but the process may not be a straight and easy as you think.  If UMass Law makes sense to you then proceed cautiously but proceed.

Good luck to all.

Note:  I typed this on an iPad and apologize for the many typos.

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