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Law School Admissions / Re: Am i on the right track?
« on: January 05, 2013, 08:11:10 PM »
In my opinion

1   you should focus upon keeping your 3.75 gpa and attaining a good LSAT score before you start to worry about where you will attend.  In my experience your  LSAT score mirrors your SAT.  If you did well on your SATs the you will likely do well on the LSAT but if you did poorly on your SAT then I doubt you will spike,upwards n the LSAT.

2.  IMO only the law schols that have the most competitive admissions put substantial,weight on the "soft factors".  The 2 law schools you mentioned (St.Louis & Chicago Kent) are bout solid schools and I believe that the determining factors are gpa and LSAT at both schools.

Good luck.

Current Law Students / Re: lobbists
« on: December 24, 2012, 06:38:29 PM »
You do not have to be an attorney to write a law or lobby.

Although a lobbyist does not have to be an attorney  many lobbiest are attorneys.

The only time you must be an attorney is to appear in Court on behalf of another party or to engage in the practice of law.

If you are sharp enough to get an LSAT score in the 170 range then it it hard to understand how you received the 2.773 gpa last year.

Please also understand that the elite schools will give unstated preference to applicants who graduate from peer schools.

Good luck.... I hope you prove us wrong for doubting you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Should I go for a better school
« on: December 17, 2012, 06:24:12 PM »

Congratulations and good luck on your decision to retun to start law school.

The following are some random thoughts and opinions which I hope are helpful to you:

1.   If you are able to relocate then you should not limit yourself to Cooley.  I have known only one student that attended Cooley and his experiences repeat much of what you read on the Internet.  The most daming statistic about Cooley is in my opinion it's own self reported attrition rates which are contained in The linked ABA report that indicates 227 students transferred the heck out, 124 "1Ls" failed out, 33 "2Ls" failed out, 8 "3Ls" failed,out with an overall attrition rate of approximately 30% for Cooley students.   I believe that the Cooley attrition rate should scare you particularly when you compare it to other schools.
LINK: .....  hit "law school data" to arrive at cited data

2.  Good luck on the LSATs.  Be cautious however that many score much higher on practice tests then on the real thing. 

3.  After you have received your score then consider all alternatives if relocation is an option.  In my opinion Michigan State is a very good option for someone wishing to stay in the state of Miichigan.  If you can relocate then apply to schools near where you may wish to live after law school.  The below links provide good starting point for schools you should apply to.  As the above poster stated a high LSAT score will make you a "splitter" and make you a more attractive candidate than your gpa may indicate.  Also note that as a non traditional student I believe that your application will get a more positive read than a younger student ( yes, age does have some benefits).  I know that many law schools appreciate the sacrifices which applicants made to raise families.   LINK      

4.  Be cost conscious with regard to tuition.  If you can relocate the look for grants by applying to a number of schools.  The below link will show you the gpa & LSAT numbers for  students that got money from from schools in past years.  Link for Michigan State    

5.   Note that the number of law school applicants is down for the 3 consecutive,year so that trend may be of assistance to you.

Sincere best wishes.

Law School Admissions / Re: GPA padding.
« on: December 15, 2012, 10:05:32 PM »

Cornell is a great law school whose recent entering class had a median GPA of 3.63 and a LSAT median of 168 which is not a heck of a lot easier than NYU which has medians of 3.71 GPA and 172 LSAT.

Your post that started this thread indicated that want to live in "NYC".  Although Cornell could certainly assist you in securing a job in "NYC" you should know that Cornell is located 3+/- hours outside of New York City in rural Ithaca, New York.

With all respect I believe you are "putting the cart before the horse" and should first take your LSATs before assuming you will attend either NYU, Cornell, Fordham (medians 165 lsat/ 3.53 gpa), St.John's (medians 160 lsat/ 3.49 gpa) or anywhere else.

Good luck.

Law School Admissions / Re: GPA padding.
« on: December 15, 2012, 12:55:07 PM »
I do not want to discourage you but even if you are successful at "padding your GPA to the 3.5 there are approximately 75% of the accepted applicants that will have a higher GPA and substantially more of those with a 3.5 having been rejected.  Please note also that those admitted with the 3.5 may be underrepresented minorities, children of alums, contributors, children of celebrities, and more likely those that are "splitters" with very high LSATs.

New York City  has many good law schools- in addition to Columbia and NYU you should look at Fordham, and St.John's.

Good luck.

Law School Admissions / Re: Where and when to apply? alright gpa, low LSAT
« on: November 12, 2012, 08:06:04 PM »
You may have a pulse at the following schools with a 3.35 and 150 ( in no particular order):

John Marshall - Atlanta
John Marshall - Savannah
Ave Maria
Barry (warning high attrition)
Cal Western
Cleveland State
Detroit Mercy
District of Columbia
Florida A&M
Florida Coastal
Golden Gate
John Marshall (Illinois)
Loyola (N.O.)
University of Massachusetts
Mississippi College
New England
New Hampshire
Northern Illinois
Northern Kentucky
Nova Southeastern
Oklahoma City
Roger Williams
St. Thomas - MN
St. Thomas - Fla (warning high attrition)
Southern Illinois
Texas Southern
Thomas Jefferson
Touro (warning high attrition)
Western New England
Western State
Winder - Del (warning high attrition)
Winder- PA (warning high attrition)
William Mitchell


Honestly, I'd never even heard of most of the schools you mentioned (except Cooley) before reading this post....

If you have never heard of the University of Massachusetts then that fact does not reflect favorably upon your credibility since UMass is the Massachusetts'
public university.


Roald .... 'fess up; what is your connection to ABA unaccredited law schools?  are you a student, grad or employee?

Don't go to a non ABA accredited school unless you have exhausted all other options.

You should consider recent ABA accredited University of Massachusetts School of Law which had a median LSAT of 144 for the class that started in August 2012.  The class profile is set forth in the below link:

Before you attend a Non ABA- California only accredited school you should first consider a law school that is committed to gaining ABA accreditation.  Law schools seeking ABA accreditation are frequently new law schools started by established colleges, universities or law schools which has the necessary financial resources to achieve ABA accreditation. 

The following law schools are seeking ABA accreditation:

** Belmont College is a respected 4 year College in Tennessee started a new law school and is working towards accrediation but to my knowledge it has not had the ABA site team review yet.

** Concordia University is an established college with an enrollment of 3,100+/- studets in Portland Oregon.  Concordia statrted a new law school in Boise Idaho and welcomed its first law school class this falll (2012) . I am not sure why a school in Oregon chose to start a new law school in Idaho but it did.

**  John Marshall Law School (Atlanta) was accredited by the ABA in 2005. John Marshall Law School decided to expand enrollment and this fall opened a new campus in Savannah Georgia as "The Savannah law School".

** The Indiana Tech Law School will open in Fort Wayne in the fall 2013.  Indiana Tech is a private college founded in 1931.  It is a respected undergrad school with an undergrad enrollment of 5000+/- students.

** The Thomas M. Cooley School of Law with four (4) existing law school campuses in (i) Lansing Michigan, (ii) Grand Rapids Michigan, (iii) Auburn Hills Michigan, and (iv) Ann Arbor Michigan expanded enrollment by opening a fifth (5th) law school location in Tampa Florida this year.

Let me repeat- -  only attend a non ABA accredited law school after you have exhausted all efforts and been rejected by the above established schools which are working towards accreditation.

Good luck & don't get discouraged.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Arizona V. Syracuse
« on: February 04, 2012, 01:22:05 AM »

In my opinion this is a no brainer- Arizona is a better choice for you.

There will be substantially better job prospect in Arizona than Upstate New York.  Also Arizona's in state tuition will be far less than $yracu$e's.

Good luck.

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