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M / Re: Monterey College of Law
« on: March 06, 2014, 06:58:52 PM »
Hey CA,

Thank you for entering the discussion of the Monterey College of Law.

Please let me direct your attention to the report LINKED below which identifies, by institution,  the number of test takers that took the California Bar Exam in July 2013 and the number which passed the test to be able to practice law in the state of California.

The report indicates that for the July 2013 California Bar Exam 11 graduates from your Monterey College of Law took the California Bar exam for the first time and zero (none) passed. 

The report further indicates that 15 graduates of the Monterey College of Law classified as "Repeaters" took the same July California Bar Exam and just 2 Repeaters passed the exam (87% failed) to qualify to practice law in the State of California.  I wonder how many prior attempt the Repeaters from the Monterey College of Law have collectively failed the Bar exam.

I am at a loss to understand how you can justify Monterey College of Law's  embarrassingly low bar pass rates. 

From these results it appears that many students attend Monterey College of Law, pay tuition, dream of someday having the opportunity to practice law, work hard to graduate, do graduate from the Monterey College of Law but repeatedly fail the Bar exam despite the fact that your school awarded them degrees for an education that does not allow them to pass the Bar Association.   

By responding post please defend the zero for 11 pass results for first time takers and pitiful 2 for 15 pass rate for "Repeaters"

Thanks.

LINK:
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/gbx/JULY2013STATS.012214_R.pdf

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-ABA approved Test Takers
« on: November 12, 2013, 10:54:15 PM »


UMass Darthmouth etc will eventually get accredited.....

Hey Citylaw...... UMass Dartmouth is provisionally accrediated by the American Bar Association.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: October 04, 2013, 11:10:34 PM »
Beware of any school that has a high attrition rate.

For the most recent class reported to the ABA, Barry starts with a 1L class of 293 and 17.5% either failed out or decided not to return for year 2.  Barry's Florida Bar pass rate was approximately 10% lower than the state average.
https://officialguide.lsac.org/RELEASE/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage_Info/ABA_LawSchoolData.aspx?sid=187

Florida Coastal, a for profit school started its recent 1L class with 580 students.  A whopping 30.% either failed out or chose not to return to Coastal for their 2d year.  Coastal's Florida Bar pass rate was approximately 4% lower than the state average.
https://officialguide.lsac.org/RELEASE/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage_Info/ABA_LawSchoolData.aspx?sid=184

If you compare the attrition rates of Barry and Coastal with other Florida law schools you will see that in most  instances Barry and Coastal are much higher. 

In my opinion Barry has a high attrition rate but Coastal has an unconscionable attrition rate.

Good luck.






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Syracuse / Re: Warning regarding Syracuse Law
« on: July 15, 2013, 07:38:44 PM »
Maintain FL 350

1...... where did I say it placed Syracuse "in the top 25 for attrition"?

2...... since you referenced the "the top 25 for attrition" please identify the law schools with the top 25 attrition rates.

Thanks.

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Syracuse / Re: Warning regarding Syracuse Law
« on: July 14, 2013, 12:48:43 AM »
It was humorous to read the opinions of those that posted that the Syracuse University grading curve was "fairly generous" and "typical".

Lets look at facts not groundless opinion.

18.2% of the 1Ls for the only reported year since SU instituted its new curve either failed out of otherwise e chose not return for their 2d year of law school. 

Lets see how that percent compares with other like New York law schools
- - St.John's 7.8%
- - Albany 5.6%
- - Buffalo 2.8%
- - CUNY 8.5%
- - Fordham 6.1%
- - Brooklyn 5.1%

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Umass law Dartmouth status?
« on: July 12, 2013, 06:11:04 PM »
UMass Law was provisionally accredited by the American Bar Association on June 8, 2012.

My understanding is that any school must remain provisionally for 3 years before receiving full accreditation.

My guess is that during the next several years UMass Law will transition to be a mid level quality law school, if for no other reason its tuition which is less expensive than the Massachusetts private law schools.

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Law School Applications / Re: Chances for these Law Schools
« on: July 02, 2013, 10:16:56 PM »
Gary

1.     The LSAC website is linked below.  The site allows you to get some guesstimate as to your chances at all of the LSAC law schools.  Plug in your GPA and LSAT and the site will give you some idea about your admission chances to each school.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/OfficialGuide_Default.aspx

2.     Don't underestimate the value of your experience in the Marine Corps.  I bet that experience gets you admitted to a school you otherwise would not get admitted to.

3.  The LSAC website will also tell you the attrition rate of each school.  My advice is don't go to a school like Syracuse University that has a high attrition rate.  SU has a 18% first year attrition rate which means that nearly 1 in 5 students that enroll incur debt and don't come back and an equal number have a miserable time competing in a cut throat environment.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage_Info/ABA_LawSchoolData.aspx?sid=145

4.    Good luck.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Are CBA schools a joke?
« on: May 21, 2013, 11:58:01 PM »
Duncanjp,

You are wrong in your belief that I am on a "mission to discredit CBA schools" (your phrase) but merely pointing out that most, if not all CBA schools fail and refuse to reveal employment statistics and first time bar pass rates. 

It is charming that posters like "Duncanip" would have us believe that their CBA education qualifies them to be practicing attorneys but their antidotal stories, while interesting are not supported by facts.  The hard cold reality is that many CBA never pass the California Bar exam and fewer enjoy profitable legal careers.   

Duncanip, please explain why if the CBA law schools are as successful as you  would have us believe then why CBA do schools refuse to disclose statistics for legal employment after graduation for their grads.  (Paralegal jobs for the CBA grads don't count.)

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Are CBA schools a joke?
« on: May 19, 2013, 11:52:00 PM »
It is not surprising that none of the above defenders of CBA law schools can provide employment statistics.

Hopefully anyone considering a CBA school will understand that if these schools had employment statistics to confirm their worth then they would release those statistics.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Are CBA schools a joke?
« on: May 04, 2013, 03:32:45 AM »

Let me again ask "CA Law Dean" to present employment statistics for his/ her schools recent graduating classes 2010, 2011 & 2013 similar to what the ABA requires its members to present.
http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/

Please also provide bar pass stats for your school and the bar pass stats for other CAB schools.

Thanks.

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