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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Scholar
« on: July 03, 2012, 04:18:30 AM »
but their probabilities don't take softs into account

Are you a URM?  That might matter.  Beyond that, forget softs.  If you don't have the numbers, you're not getting in. 

Law School Admissions / Re: do majors with "honors" matter?
« on: July 03, 2012, 04:15:49 AM »
Is anything worth a decline in GPA?

This is based on general knowledge of how things work when you're sifting through a large number of applicants and also some hearsay from folks who have spoken to admissions folks.

Law schools, especially the good ones, get thousands of applicants.  Their first pass will ALWAYS be based on numbers, alone.  Good numbers can make you an auto-admit at some schools.  They can also make you an auto-reject at any school.  The only question is where those thresholds are.  Also, at the very best schools, they probably don't auto-admit based solely on numbers, but you can bet they auto-reject.

Whether you attended an honors program or whatnot is something that won't really be discovered until/unless you made that first cut.  Also, probably not a factor unless it comes down to you and a couple other nearly-identical students who are all on the bubble.  If you can avoid being on the bubble by having a gpa that's .05 higher, I'd say avoid being on the bubble.

Also, there is no required program of study for pre-law.  You can major in electrical engineering or communications.  I doubt anybody in their right mind thinks that a 4.0 in one is analogous to a 4.0 in the other.  You can get your grades all at the honors college or you can get half your credit hours from the local junior college where anything less than an A means you didn't turn in all your work. 

In the end, that first cut is made on GPA and LSAT, alone.  Anybody who tells you otherwise is delusional.  For the majority of applicants, the ONLY cut is made is GPA and LSAT alone. 

It's a game.  Play it strategically.

Law School Admissions / Re: do majors with "honors" matter?
« on: July 02, 2012, 07:45:25 PM »
I don't think anything is worth a decline in GPA.  Take that for what it's worth: anonymous advice from the internet. 


Keep in mind that the bar association of your state won't give out names of members of the C&F committe to everybody who calls and asks, "hey, I have a felony, can I be a lawyer?"  You're going to have to do some legwork here and be resourceful.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Getting ABA after the bar.
« on: June 29, 2012, 09:07:33 AM »
Also, it has been my experience that most people I talk to who aren't in the legal profession are like:

People: "Where did you go to school?"
Me: "XYZ school of law in CA."
People: "Wow, very nice."

Of course, they don't recognize or care about the name.

I think you'll be surprised to find out that most people in the law, outside of California, would probably have pretty much the same reaction.  If you don't intend to work as a lawyer, it's all just a nice credential.  Plus, you passed the bar.  I would be sure to list that on your resume as well.  For instance, "JD from XYZ college.  Admitted to the California Bar on June 99, 3042."

Then, people can ask why you aren't practicing law and you can tell them, "That was never my intention.  I always wanted to do ABC instead."

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Obamacare upheld
« on: June 29, 2012, 08:55:06 AM »
I thought the ruling was spot-on.

It has always been a tax.  For political reasons, the Obama administration didn't want to call it one.

However, legally, a tax that you impose on people when they don't do something is a tax.  No other way to look at it.

It was, however, struck down on Necessary and Proper and Commerce Clause.  However, those arguments didn't really matter.

Hello everyone!

I'm new to the board. I'm posting concerning my application and my situation. My overall gpa is a 3.71 and LSAT is 169. I'm wondering if I should even apply of have a chance to get into law school nonetheless sit the bar. You see, I have charges from 6 years ago when I was dumb and 16 for felonies! That's right 2 felonies, 1 was nolle p. and dismissed because that was deemed a case that me and my friend did not participate in. ( We got caught, the store then tried to pin a string of other shoplifting incidents on us, with no evidence). For the other charge my lawyer advised me to take a plea deal, which I did. I ended up pleading "no contest" to 1 count of fel. concealment ( concealing items in a store valued at $220.00) , in return I did community service and shoplifting reduction & rehabilitation class under "the first offender status". After completion of my pre-trial diversion, my case was dismissed and there was no finding. I understand NOW that because I plead "no contolo" that's a technicality of admission of guilt and pretty much a conviction for purposes of law school. Keep in mind these are juvenile charges, that did NOT go to circuit court. Do I have a chance of even passing the ethics portion? I'd like to practice in Maryland, North Carolina, and Virginia if possible. Any thoughts?

I have no actual expert opinion on this, but will just share a generally uniformed opinion.

$220 was a felony?  Really?  Good lord.

Seems to me that if you've been clean ever since, that the small amount of money involved and the fact that you were a minor at the time would be things that a reasonable person would take into consideration when reviewing applications for the bar.

I'm not saying that everybody should shoplift when they're young.  I'd be disappointed in my son if he did.  However, honestly, if we ruined the lives of everybody who ever shoplifted as a kid, we wouldn't have enough "clean" people in this country to do the jobs everybody needs to have done.

I hope others can chime in on this, but seems to me that this shouldn't be an impediment to your admission to the bar.  The standard answer on this is to try and contact the individuals who look at C&F issues in your state's bar and ask them.

Best of luck.  Your credentials are truly impressive.  A 3.71 and a 169 are accomplishments you should be proud of.  You seem poised for success in any field you chose. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Should I master the LSAT?
« on: June 28, 2012, 08:09:21 AM »

Furthermore, I'd like to purge the planet Earth.  What do you think about that?

Just don't purge it of doggy-style Japanese girls, and your plan is okay with me!  Best of luck.  Get the best score you can.  Get into the best school you can.  Let us know how it turns out.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Getting ABA after the bar.
« on: June 28, 2012, 08:01:56 AM »
To the OP:  there are very, very few instances where I believe it is in a person's best interests to get a non-ABA accredited degree.

One instance would be for a person who intends to practice only in California, and will practice in an area of the law that is highly entrepreneurial, such as hanging out a shingle and opening a PI, criminal or family law practice.

The other instance is for people who simply want the credential, but don't intend to practice.  If I am understanding you correctly, this is your situation.

In business, there are very, very few businesses that are conscious of where degrees come from and those places really only care about schools that are in the top 10 or 20 or thereabouts.  For the rest of us mere mortals, there's precious little difference between going to the 40th ranked business school in the country and the 100th. 

Once you've been in the work world for 2 years or more, your education becomes largely irrelevant in 99% of most people's careers.  In business, it's not where you came from, it's what you've done and what you can do that's important.  Although MBAs are common these days, they're usually just a check-off, so getting an "executive MBA" from the local non-AACSB accredited liberal arts college is all most people will ever need.

If you intend to work in business, I'd say to let this go.  From here on out, you can legitimately say that you have a law degree.  Since you don't ever intend to practice, anything beyond saying that and listing a J.D. on your resume is irrelevant. 

I had a similar situation when I graduated from b-school years ago.  I went to the #43 ranked business school at the time, and was a little stunned at how little it meant.  However, as I looked over my LSAT and gpa, I realized I might have qualified to go to something in the top 30 or thereabouts.  However, once you have an MBA, the better schools are not about to let you get another.

I understand your desire.  However, I would advise that you don't spend any more of your precious years and precious dollars trying to further perfect a credential you already have.  If anything, getting a second J.D. would make you look either insane, or like a professional student, or perhaps like somebody with severe mental problems to a prospective employer.

Best of luck.  You have your law degree.  You passed the bar.  Don't keep re-living this episode of your life.  You did fine.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Getting ABA after the bar.
« on: June 28, 2012, 07:52:56 AM »

From the research I have done, which has only been in Southern California, none of the ABA schools accept transfer credits from unaccredited schools.   The lower-tiered schools like Western State, La Verne, and Thomas Jefferson will accept transfer from state accredited schools, but not unacredited.  So if any school does, it's probably outside the LA area.   I'll keep searching, but if you know one or two off the bat let me know because I am curious about that.

Ah, thanks for catching that.  When the OP said a non-ABA accredited California Law School, I was thinking a state-accredited school.  However, you are right to point out that a state accredited school has accreditation.  To the best of my knowledge, you are correct.  I don't think any school accepts credits from a school that is entirely unaccredited.

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