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I don't know that it's selfish, but they're going to know that they rejected you previously, so you'll probably have to knock the interview out of the park to get a callback. 

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General Board / Re: Is this normal salary for law grads?
« on: November 25, 2008, 10:42:06 AM »
I don't think people who go to T4 schools are "stupid," but I would say that they probably aren't doing enough research into their 100k+ investment.  Lots of law schools advertise an average starting salary for graduates of 80k or more, and candidates who don't look into those figures and see that the top 10% heavily skews those numbers are in for a nasty surprise once they start looking for jobs.  I would also imagine that if you aren't doing your homework going in, you also aren't going to be one of the people who does well enough in your classes to get a job paying market (though I'm not as sure about that).

Law schools are guilty here as well.  A lot of high paid administrators/professors rely on the myth that "all lawyers make a lot of money" for their own livelihood. 

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General Board / Re: Quit law school and re-apply?
« on: November 25, 2008, 10:18:31 AM »
I agree with the previous posters.  I'd also add that if you really have an interest in being a lawyer after you graduate, that you stick it out for this year and try to transfer.  In the past, economic downturns have led to increased application levels, and if that happens again this year the admissions process could be much more competitive than last year.  You don't want to give up a spot at a top 30 school only to find out that there aren't any better options out there. 

On the other hand, if you don't do well on finals this semester, you probably won't be able to transfer anywhere so you'll be stuck. 

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General Board / Re: OCI Reception Questions
« on: August 16, 2008, 01:57:20 AM »
I agree that you should go.  I have been told several times that those receptions are part of the interview process so not going gives them a negative impression of your interest level and won't let them get a chance to know you on a personal level. 

For the same reason, I wouldn't take your wife (unless she also interviewed, obviously).  The purpose of the receptions is for them to get to know and continue to evaluate the people they invited, and unless they invited her you really aren't in a position to be adding people to their guest list.  I know it may suck to have to tell your wife she can't come but since she's a student she should understand.

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General Board / Re: Are law school grading curves reasonable?
« on: July 05, 2008, 12:46:39 AM »
Grading curves are a necessary evil (unless you're at a school like Yale).  One of the biggest, if not the biggest, priorities for law schools is placing students with big firms.  To effectively do this there has to be some way of ranking students.   By requiring professors to grade to a given standard they are able to rank performance on an exam as well as ensure that students taking the same classes w/ different professors are not unfairly burdened.  For example, at my school there are 3 1L sections and if my prof. decided that none of the class contributed "A" level work while another professor gave out 20 or so A's (while possibly teaching distinctly different material), that would definitely strike me as unfair.  Curves somewhat protect you from the professor having a bad day who just decides that no one "got" his exam and grades accordingly.   

As far as the complaint that the same score equals a B in one year but a C+ in another, you'd have to agree that the professor may do a better job teaching to the exam in one year than another.  However, even in the event that one year is clearly inferior to the other, there still must be a mechanism for ranking students in that year's class (you're not being ranked against every year's law students, just this year's).


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General Board / Re: Recommended reading list for soon-2-be L1
« on: May 23, 2008, 01:27:05 PM »
The book that really helped me on exams was Getting to Maybe, but I read it after school had started so I'm not sure if it would be of any value beforehand. Some people like it, others don't.  Don't bother reading any content oriented material. 

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General Board / Re: Law Review Write-on how hard?
« on: May 23, 2008, 01:16:52 PM »
Thanks for all the replies, but I mean in terms of how hard do they grade the paper. Anyone have to do bluebook critiques as well?

Anyone here who tried and failed?

I was pretty harsh when I graded in terms of substance, and if something was poorly written or filled with typos, it pissed me off.  The more I had to work to read a paper the closer I looked at substance, and the fewer points I gave.  While reading papers, I would perhaps skim the footnotes.  If I noted blatantly wrong citations or a TON of errors, I made not of it and gave fewer of the "discretionary" points we were allowed.  That all being said, harsh graders tend to be harsh with everyone, and the managing boards should get a sense of who tends to give high and low scores, and everything tends to equal out.

I never graded any bluebook exercises; the managing editors of all 3 journals all split them up and did them (our write on is for all the journals, so all 3 managing boards are involved in creating the write on).

Just as an aside for those who have reviewed submissions, how different is the grading standard for those looking to grade on vs write on?  My school has a "good faith effort/passing" requirement for people who meet the grade cutoff.  I guess I'm curious as to how often someone has the grades but doesn't put forth a good enough effort to get on.

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I pretty much agree with what everyone else is saying.  You just have to put school in its place within your life and not let it take over everything else.  Give it a lot of time, but give yourself time away from it as well. 

The only advice I'd have is specific to your situation.  You really need to consider the strong possibility that you won't get the necessary grades to transfer to the school of your choice.  The curves at the lower rated schools are pretty harsh and a lot of students go in with the same plan to transfer so it can be pretty competitive.  Would you be happy if you ended up graduating from the school you start at?  Would it be worth the investment in time/money (both tuition and lost income)?  I was in a similar situation and actually ended up going through the application process twice because I didn't want to risk not being able to transfer after my 1L year. 

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General Board / Re: Gunners firing blanks?
« on: September 18, 2007, 02:37:40 AM »
My favorite from personal experience is the Gunner who feels the urge to start some irrelevant hypo with just 2 minutes left and which keeps us late 5 minutes and kills my entire break between classes. >:(

OTOH, I sit next to another one so it helps me avoid getting called on because the prof doesn't want to look in our general direction for fear of bogging down the class.

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General Board / Re: Does briefing cases as a 1L = waste of time?
« on: August 21, 2007, 08:53:46 PM »
Guys, I know it's easy today it gets much harder.  The reading assignments will pick up quickly and once LRWA starts to take up 2/3 of your time but the other classes' assignments stay the same things start to get a little harder.  It will stay manageable for the next two months or so but November-May will be much more difficult.

Disclaimer - if you don't care about class rank and are just in it for the degree, it probably won't get much harder because you won't care.

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