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Transferring / Re: HELP! T3 to University of Arizona ...worth it?
« on: April 17, 2011, 03:00:49 AM »
No school jumped up or down 20-30 spots, and, in any case, it doesn't matter much.


Nebraska from unranked tier 3 in 2010 to #84 in 2011, but not just any #84 rank a TWELEVE way tie for 84th place. I donít even know how you can have a twelve way tie for 84th place, but they managed to do it. 

LSU went from 75 into this twelve way tie for 84th place. So it is not quite clear if LSU went from 75 to the 96th or 84th school because there is a twelve way tie for the prestigious honor of 84th place.

Kansas went from 65 in 2010 to a simple 5 way tie for 79th place.

Catholic went from a 4 way tie for 94th place in 2010 up to a 5 way tie for 79th place in 2011.

LMU from 71 in 2010 to 54 in 2011.
 
Emory from #20 to a 4 way tie to #30 yes a five way tie for 30th place. Emory, Fordham, UNC, University of Washington. 

Where's the 20-30 ranking jump? That's what you said, yes?

I ask for a jump of the size you're claiming and you're unable to provide a single one.

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-Arizona probably will not impress in L.A. for example. UCLA, USC, are already there not to mention Pepperdine, LMU, Southwestern, also already in L.A.

So, because there are lots of law schools in L.A., Arizona is equivalent to random T3?

Again, you just don't know what you're talking about. As someone who strongly considered going to AZ, I did plenty of research: the top of the Arizona class can get into L.A. firms. No, they're not UCLA/USC (not even close, really); but they will do much, much better than some random T3.

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Transferring / Re: HELP! T3 to University of Arizona ...worth it?
« on: April 16, 2011, 09:04:19 PM »
It is pretty funny that someone who hasn't even taken the LSAT yet or attended one day of law school seems to know everything about the legal profession. Since she goes on the internet with literally no experience even less than me a second year law student her posts just attack people. Maybe while putting the LSAT off she figured out how the whole system works, but as a general rule of thumb don't listen to anybody that has not even taken the LSAT.

I honestly have no idea where you got the notion that I haven't taken the LSAT. I'm in law school, bro.

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However, if you want to live on the east coast after graduation then transferring to Arizona is probably not worth it. Arizona is a regional school more or less that could very easily become tier 2 by the time you graduate because the formula makes no sense. Look back at previous rankings and you will see that schools jump or down 20-30 spots any given year.

No school jumped up or down 20-30 spots, and, in any case, it doesn't matter much. It doesn't take USNWR to tell you that your job prospects are better coming out of Arizona than out of xyz T3.

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In my opinion when ELITE schools are not in the equation location and cost are the most important considerations.

This is at least a little silly. Say, for example, you wanted to work in Florida. It would be a huge mistake to go to Ave Maria on a full ride if you could get into Florida. Huge.


My main point is that, really, you don't know what you're talking about w/r/t job placement numbers. Arizona will, as I said, likely get you into Vegas, New Mexico, Phoenix/Tucson, and maybe Los Angeles/San Diego. You specifically said:

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but if you went to Arizona law school and showed up in New York, L.A, etc nobody would really care about it.

which is objectively false. In L.A., Arizona will go much farther than random T3 (and I'd guess the same is true in NYC, but I'm not going to say that w/ anywhere near the same amount of confidence).

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Transferring / Re: HELP! T3 to University of Arizona ...worth it?
« on: April 16, 2011, 08:56:07 PM »
It is pretty funny that someone who hasn't even taken the LSAT yet or attended one day of law school seems to know everything about the legal profession.

What are you talking about?

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Transferring / Re: HELP! T3 to University of Arizona ...worth it?
« on: April 15, 2011, 01:08:24 AM »
I would transfer and add that bigs5068 has no idea what he's talking about. I wrote out a long post explaining why he has no idea what he's talking about, but rest assured: he doesn't.

The key question for you is where you want to practice. If you want to practice in the area where you are living now, you should probably stay. If you want to practice in the southwest (mostly Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico, with an outside shot at Los Angeles), then transfer.

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Affirmative Action / Re: How do my fellow asians feel about AA?
« on: April 03, 2011, 12:00:35 AM »
At least as far as law school URM status is concerned, there is some evidence that AA (in that particular context) DECREASES the number of black lawyers: http://www2.law.ucla.edu/sander/systemic/final/sanderfinal.pdf


That said, schools themselves might have their own reasons for affirmative action. Most importantly, they may want to have a more diverse student body. I'm not sure using race as a proxy for all diversity is a great idea, but it might be an explanation.

The problem is that, when this inevitably gets challenged (as it already did in Baake) in 25 years, it will lose and go away. You're discriminating on the basis of race. The court in Baake explicitly said that this won't be okay in 25 years. It won't be around too much longer.

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Recommendations / Re: Trying to figure out what LSAT score I need
« on: April 01, 2011, 04:37:54 PM »
How about Phoenix Law?  You could always try to transfer after 1L if you get good grades and still want to go to ASU.  Granted, that's a gamble, but worst-case, you can get that Phoenix Law degree and practice.

Do not do this.

I think MikePing is about right. You need to be in the 170s and the higher the better. If you check out lawschoolnumbers.com, there was apparently a non-URM admit with a 168 and a 2.76 GPA. I think that's cutting it pretty close, but that should at least give you a general idea of how you need to do. Good luck.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Law School at 52
« on: March 31, 2011, 03:19:00 AM »
Your 52 and don't start school until Late August.  Withthe 4 year plan -you won't be practicing law until age 57ish. 

In a different day and age, this might be a good reason not to attend.

These days, people stay healthy much, much longer.

They also intend to work much, much longer. 

It's not uncommon to see people practicing law past their 70th birthday. 

The law is one of the few professions where it's probably feasible to be long in the tooth, yet still be able to function at a high level, provided your mind stays sharp.

Employers are not going to be crazy about that.

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I'm not saying "xxx State University" is always worse than "University of xxx." I'm just saying the outside perception (valid or not) is similar. I can't think of any other examples of two public schools in the same state being so close. Hastings/Davis maybe?

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It's going to take a lot for the outsider's perspective to change from UF > FSU > U of M.

It's like Arizona State being ranked ahead of Arizona; the rankings say it, but employers don't act like it.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Law School at 52
« on: March 28, 2011, 05:43:34 AM »
I'd be less worried about fitting in than about finding a job after law school.

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