« on: July 24, 2011, 04:35:04 PM »
These programs are worthless. Don't waste your money.
This. Don't do this. Go get drunk or something instead.
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The ABA student community is a swell group of people to get to know, but honestly, who can deny that there is a surfeit of unemployed, deeply-indebted, ambitious young ABA graduates out there who don't know whether to go uphill or down bearing the chains of their coveted interstate law degree? How many ABA graduates would not be more than happy finding steady work in their home town alongside some blue collar, state-accredited attorney?
A substantial number of attorneys here in California, including judges and district attorneys, received their J.D.s from state law schools. They passed the exam. Becoming a lawyer simply means you've read society's rules and know how to play the game. It's becoming less elitist all the time to be an attorney, and the massive debt that attending an ABA school creates, just so you can become another unemployed lawyer who has hypothecated the next 20 years of his or her life, needs to be weighed. The point is, there is no dishonor in attending a state-accredited law school. Every single person who passes the Bar exam in his or her given state hopes to find meaningful employment in the field. Some do, some don't. Getting the gig is the object, not bragging about the train that got you there. Granted, if you're still in your 20s or 30s and you want to go to law school, you should prepare hard for the LSAT and get your tail into an ABA school. Absolutely. An ABA degree will help an inexperienced greenhorn get a foot in the door. But if you're over 45, with a family and a mortgage, and you've already established a solid reputation in a given field with a career that could be enhanced, perhaps perfected, by getting a law degree and becoming a member of your state Bar, then forget about an ABA education. You don't need it. It's a waste. A state-accredited school will do nicely and you won't squander three times as much in tuition to serve clients who couldn't care less one way or the other where you went to law school. After you reach about 40-45 years old, the object is singular: get the license. Get The License. Period. Then you can wield it in your field of expertise to parry opponents and any who stand in your way.
Ha. I wish I'd said that.
"dropping out may be a bit extreme,"
If the poster is legit, he rocked a 2.6 LSDAS GPA and 143, 150 LSAT. Pretty sure I am not advising him to relinquish his spot at Harvard. He probably won't be able to pass the bar due to C&F issues, rendering his law school investment pretty much worthless. Even if by some chance he passes the bar and hangs out his own shingle, most people don't want an attorney who can't even keep himself out of jail. And since the guy is declaring a bankruptcy, he probably shouldn't accumulate anymore student loan debt that can't be discharged in BK court when he has questionable prospects of being able to land a job that'll allow him to pay it back. But maybe you're right. Given OP's remarkable attention to detail and superb judgment, I'm sure he'll be a great addition to the legal community!
How about Phoenix Law? You could always try to transfer after 1L if you get good grades and still want to go to ASU. Granted, that's a gamble, but worst-case, you can get that Phoenix Law degree and practice.
Do not do this.
I think MikePing is about right. You need to be in the 170s and the higher the better. If you check out lawschoolnumbers.com, there was apparently a non-URM admit with a 168 and a 2.76 GPA. I think that's cutting it pretty close, but that should at least give you a general idea of how you need to do. Good luck.
why not? I am in just about the same boat as bigs5068 and I am planning on going to Phoenix college before transferring.
It is very unlikely you will get a job a BIG LAW job from GGU and I could not agree more about Big Law job prospects. However, you can get a job as an attorney from GGU and many graduates start out making between 50-80k and it will take time to pay off the debt, but if you want to be a lawyer GGU works fine.