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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Which Pre-Law course should I take?
« on: July 24, 2011, 02:35:04 PM »
These programs are worthless. Don't waste your money.

This. Don't do this. Go get drunk or something instead.

The ABA student community is a swell group of people to get to know, but honestly, who can deny that there is a surfeit of unemployed, deeply-indebted, ambitious young ABA graduates out there who don't know whether to go uphill or down bearing the chains of their coveted interstate law degree? How many ABA graduates would not be more than happy finding steady work in their home town alongside some blue collar, state-accredited attorney?

A substantial number of attorneys here in California, including judges and district attorneys, received their J.D.s from state law schools. They passed the exam. Becoming a lawyer simply means you've read society's rules and know how to play the game. It's becoming less elitist all the time to be an attorney, and the massive debt that attending an ABA school creates, just so you can become another unemployed lawyer who has hypothecated the next 20 years of his or her life, needs to be weighed. The point is, there is no dishonor in attending a state-accredited law school. Every single person who passes the Bar exam in his or her given state hopes to find meaningful employment in the field. Some do, some don't. Getting the gig is the object, not bragging about the train that got you there. Granted, if you're still in your 20s or 30s and you want to go to law school, you should prepare hard for the LSAT and get your tail into an ABA school. Absolutely. An ABA degree will help an inexperienced greenhorn get a foot in the door. But if you're over 45, with a family and a mortgage, and you've already established a solid reputation in a given field with a career that could be enhanced, perhaps perfected, by getting a law degree and becoming a member of your state Bar, then forget about an ABA education. You don't need it. It's a waste. A state-accredited school will do nicely and you won't squander three times as much in tuition to serve clients who couldn't care less one way or the other where you went to law school. After you reach about 40-45 years old, the object is singular: get the license. Get The License. Period. Then you can wield it in your field of expertise to parry opponents and any who stand in your way.

Ha. I wish I'd said that.

if you do this, please do not whine when you do not get a job

employers know that it's more difficult to get into an ABA school. you say there are tons of unemployed graduates of ABA accredited schools. this should mean something.

Current Law Students / Re: How bad of trouble am I in?
« on: July 06, 2011, 07:24:09 PM »
"dropping out may be a bit extreme,"

If the poster is legit, he rocked a 2.6 LSDAS GPA and 143, 150 LSAT.  Pretty sure I am not advising him to relinquish his spot at Harvard.  He probably won't be able to pass the bar due to C&F issues, rendering his law school investment pretty much worthless.  Even if by some chance he passes the bar and hangs out his own shingle, most people don't want an attorney who can't even keep himself out of jail.  And since the guy is declaring a bankruptcy, he probably shouldn't accumulate anymore student loan debt that can't be discharged in BK court when he has questionable prospects of being able to land a job that'll allow him to pay it back.  But maybe you're right.  Given OP's remarkable attention to detail and superb judgment, I'm sure he'll be a great addition to the legal community!

you are my new favorite poster

Mandatory mention that this is a bad idea. You won't listen. Carry on.

Job Search / Re: Chances of Landing Summer Associate Gig
« on: July 06, 2011, 07:16:45 PM »
It's going to be REALLY hard. I'd focus on smaller markets to give yourself the best shot possible; there are a ton of schools in DC and a ton of people want DC, and I think most firms would rather take top 50% at GULC or some other DC school than random T4.

You say the charge will "likely be dismissed." Is this through a diversion/deferred prosecution program? If so, you might have a better shot at getting past C&F than someone with a conviction for DUI.

I'd try to find an attorney who specializes in this stuff, though.

How about Phoenix Law?  You could always try to transfer after 1L if you get good grades and still want to go to ASU.  Granted, that's a gamble, but worst-case, you can get that Phoenix Law degree and practice.

Do not do this.

I think MikePing is about right. You need to be in the 170s and the higher the better. If you check out, there was apparently a non-URM admit with a 168 and a 2.76 GPA. I think that's cutting it pretty close, but that should at least give you a general idea of how you need to do. Good luck.

why not? I am in just about the same boat as bigs5068 and I am planning on going to Phoenix college before transferring.

Because you're banking on transferring (which is your first mistake) and you're going to shell out $50K a year to go to a law school that is blown out of the water by the other two schools in the state.

If you do ignore this advice (and you probably will), I STRONGLY recommend you sign up for every clinic you can, get to know whatever prosecutors/public defenders/whatever you can in the process, and pray a job opens up. I would specifically look for employers with high turnover (perhaps employees on contract?) to get your foot in the door.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: CUNY vs. GGU
« on: April 25, 2011, 04:32:48 PM »
Why are you using old data? I gave you the link. They have class of 2009 data. And while reporting isn't great, I'm looking at percentiles (since that tells you how well they report salaries relative to other schools). ASU is 31st percentile for salary reporting. BYU is 60th. Santa Clara is ~20th, and USF is 25th. Golden Gate is 18th (and gets worse if you count clerkships, obviously). CUNY is marginally better, but still not very good.

Also probably shouldn't talk about the bar, given the <70% pass rate from GGU.

Salary? Billable hour requirement? Enjoy what you're doing? Prefer smaller firm or V10? How hard/easy was the switch?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: CUNY vs. GGU
« on: April 24, 2011, 11:44:32 PM »
It is very unlikely you will get a job a BIG LAW job from GGU and I could not agree more about Big Law job prospects. However, you can get a job as an attorney from GGU and many graduates start out making between 50-80k and it will take time to pay off the debt, but if you want to be a lawyer GGU works fine.

Doubtful, really. Bar passage rate is <70% and they don't even bother reporting employment stats at graduation. Horrible percentile for reported salaries. There are far too many unemployed T14 grads who would love to work in San Francisco. The jobs just aren't there.

New LST data, btw:

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