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Law School Admissions / Re: Undergrad suspension
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:32:45 AM »
if it's for academic reasons, it definitely doesn't doom you

The statement was that ranking does not matter. It obviously, obviously does. Other things might matter too, but rankings do matter and you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise.

Ranking does NOT matter.

This is as objectively false of a statement as you could have made.

The two best ways to get a job:

1. Go to a higher ranked school.
2. Get better grades (and achieve a higher class rank).

Ranking is pretty much all that matters.

Any thoughts on your school getting sued by some former students?

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Law School at 52
« on: August 09, 2011, 11:39:02 PM »
So, I got accepted into a top 100 law school at the tender age of 52. I am excited in that I always wanted to be a lawyer, took my first lsat back when dinosaurs walked the earth, but other priorities prevailed.  Will start fall 2011; but have a question...... how will my "classmates" view me?  really don't want 4 years (going part time due to job) of being alienated.... just curious.

Who cares what your classmates think? Reality is that clients with money tend to be older and prefer people who "look like them".

You could suck and still make twice the cash. Just reality.

No, this is not reality.

Lastly, how to say this?  Your response reeks of character assassination and credibility undermining rhetoric.  Not kool, man and totally unnecessary.  Why would I fight with you over what you pay?  If you want to pay more than you need for things that aren't necessary, then by all means be my guest.  It's the American way, isn't it? You are entitled to an opinion, but then so am I.  Also, I was kind of hinting that your estimates were inflated, presumably, to strengthen your point. Hence the questioning, but oh well.  Don't you love the circle. Cheers.

Your response reeks of trying too hard and being wrong and horrible at life. Yes, we are all bad people if we use AC when we live in the southwest or the southeast. We should put that money to better use.

What you're talking about (in how $140K isn't that much) involves sacrificing quite a bit. You're making jack's point for him; if you have to give up that much just to pay off your student loans, something is wrong.

To emphasize: I think going to a state accredited school in this legal market is probably a bad idea. It will be difficult to get a job, and the reason many people choose state accredited schools is because they are having trouble getting into an ABA school.

What makes the above person a complete idiot is that they claim to have scored in the 99th percentile on the LSAT, which unquestionably would lead to massive scholarship offers at a ton of different ABA schools, making the "oh it's cheaper argument" ridiculous.

I scored in the 99th percentile.  I'm not impressed.

and you went to a state-accredited school?

Wow. You are an idiot.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Which Pre-Law course should I take?
« on: July 24, 2011, 01:35:04 PM »
These programs are worthless. Don't waste your money.

This. Don't do this. Go get drunk or something instead.

The ABA student community is a swell group of people to get to know, but honestly, who can deny that there is a surfeit of unemployed, deeply-indebted, ambitious young ABA graduates out there who don't know whether to go uphill or down bearing the chains of their coveted interstate law degree? How many ABA graduates would not be more than happy finding steady work in their home town alongside some blue collar, state-accredited attorney?

A substantial number of attorneys here in California, including judges and district attorneys, received their J.D.s from state law schools. They passed the exam. Becoming a lawyer simply means you've read society's rules and know how to play the game. It's becoming less elitist all the time to be an attorney, and the massive debt that attending an ABA school creates, just so you can become another unemployed lawyer who has hypothecated the next 20 years of his or her life, needs to be weighed. The point is, there is no dishonor in attending a state-accredited law school. Every single person who passes the Bar exam in his or her given state hopes to find meaningful employment in the field. Some do, some don't. Getting the gig is the object, not bragging about the train that got you there. Granted, if you're still in your 20s or 30s and you want to go to law school, you should prepare hard for the LSAT and get your tail into an ABA school. Absolutely. An ABA degree will help an inexperienced greenhorn get a foot in the door. But if you're over 45, with a family and a mortgage, and you've already established a solid reputation in a given field with a career that could be enhanced, perhaps perfected, by getting a law degree and becoming a member of your state Bar, then forget about an ABA education. You don't need it. It's a waste. A state-accredited school will do nicely and you won't squander three times as much in tuition to serve clients who couldn't care less one way or the other where you went to law school. After you reach about 40-45 years old, the object is singular: get the license. Get The License. Period. Then you can wield it in your field of expertise to parry opponents and any who stand in your way.

Ha. I wish I'd said that.

if you do this, please do not whine when you do not get a job

employers know that it's more difficult to get into an ABA school. you say there are tons of unemployed graduates of ABA accredited schools. this should mean something.

Current Law Students / Re: How bad of trouble am I in?
« on: July 06, 2011, 06:24:09 PM »
"dropping out may be a bit extreme,"

If the poster is legit, he rocked a 2.6 LSDAS GPA and 143, 150 LSAT.  Pretty sure I am not advising him to relinquish his spot at Harvard.  He probably won't be able to pass the bar due to C&F issues, rendering his law school investment pretty much worthless.  Even if by some chance he passes the bar and hangs out his own shingle, most people don't want an attorney who can't even keep himself out of jail.  And since the guy is declaring a bankruptcy, he probably shouldn't accumulate anymore student loan debt that can't be discharged in BK court when he has questionable prospects of being able to land a job that'll allow him to pay it back.  But maybe you're right.  Given OP's remarkable attention to detail and superb judgment, I'm sure he'll be a great addition to the legal community!

you are my new favorite poster

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