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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Harvard (the it factor)
« on: July 23, 2007, 05:03:37 PM »
I think your numbers are a bit off on the faculty thing.  Last I checked, more current tenured or tenure-track profs come from HLS than from any other school.  Yes, we're larger.  But the size really isn't that relevant for this pool (same for SCOTUS clerks) because the jobs are only available to a small slice at the top in the first place.  SLS (IIRC) isn't really close.

If you want to be an academic, Yale is probably your safest bet.  But no one is in a better position than a student toward the top of the HLS class.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Harvard (the it factor)
« on: July 23, 2007, 12:52:37 AM »

If you go to HLS, you're guaranteed a biglaw job. 

I don't know if that's a bit of hyperbole, but I don't think it's true in the literal sense. It reminded me of something in last week's "Advice for the Lawlorn" column on newyorklawyer.com:

"The bottom 20 of your class puts you in a very difficult position, even though you graduated from a top Ivy League law school. I suspect that your chances for a job with Cravath, Sullivan & Cromwell or Davis Polk are probably not great.

The main reason for this is due to something that I have discussed in many previous columns. If you are in the bottom 20 of your class, it would stand to reason that your transcript is loaded with C's and perhaps even has a D grade from one or two of your classes.

I can tell you right now that the Davis Polk's (and Cravath's and Sullivan & Cromwell's) of the world are far more concerned with your transcript than with your law school. "

In the era of grade inflation I don't think you'd see a lot of D's even at the bottom of a Harvard class, but still, I think, for BIGLAW, it would scream "hands off." So not quite a guarantee.

The worst grades an OCI employer will see is something like 5 B-'s and 1 B, and even that's unlikely (about as likely as 4 A's and 2 A+'s or something).  That's not enough to dissuade a vast number of law firms.  Yea, Cravath is out (if that matters), but there are many more spots for HLS grads at biglaw firms than interested students to fill them.  It is absolutely true that #560 in my class is guaranteed a $160K biglaw job, if that's what he/she wants. 

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Harvard (the it factor)
« on: July 22, 2007, 05:53:19 PM »
As to why someone would go into debt to go to HLS vs taking $$ from Duke. Look at job placement (esp academic), SC clerkship opps and suddenly the $160k for tuition seems like a very good investment.

As for getting into HLS, its not at all impossible. I headed there and and I went to a very average state school for UG nor I'm not rich, famous or particularly bright. I do tend to work really hard though and I think that made the difference.

I just want to point out that, while HLS has a comparatively high number of SCOTUS clerks, this really shouldn't be even a tiny factor in anyone's decision.  Let's say the Court takes 6 in a given year from HLS.  Being generous, you'd have to be either 1) a Rhodes/Marshall, 2) President of LR, 3) top 10 in the class, or 4) an absolute superstar for some other reason to have much of a shot.  If you are (1) or (4), you can likely get a clerkship from CCN, etc.  If you are (3), you could probably be like #1 at another T14 and get a clerkship.  There's only one person who is (2).

The point is that this will affect less than 10 people, max.

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If that doesn't work, google "site:www.lawschoolnumbers.com bassdesire" and click the word "cached" under the first hit.

If you are the same person as me, I would say don't sweat it.  Things will work out, though you'll be freaked out about it anyway.  And HLS was the right place for me in retrospect, regardless of personal ties.  This wouldn't be true for everyone.

If you have more info, I might be able to be more helpful.

Yes, I have the exact same numbers as you and pretty comparable ECs, and I come from a middle-of-the-road UG. 
Do you have any idea why you got deferred at H?  Usually it seems like people get in with our numbers or worse.
Do you wish you would have done anything differently with your essays/recs?  I believe I read your PS in this book; Good job.

I have very little idea as to why the deferral.  I think the UG may have come into play.  My school is rather large, yet I was the only person at HLS (1L, 2L, 3L, LLM) from the school.  There were more people from my high school (random medium-sized average public school in CT) than from my ugrad.

My recommenders knew me very well, and one was a tenured law prof.

I think my PS's were good, not great (Y250 and the general ones).  I may have come across as arrogant or focused on what I thought they wanted to hear.  The first is a product of the "voice" I chose, and the second is too much thought maybe.

In the end, I don't really worry about it.  The admissions season worked out as I'd hoped, if a bit delayed.  I would've traded all my other acceptances for an earlier call from HLS, but they weren't taking the trade.

One piece of advice.  HLS says aid is pure need-based, but if you want to go there and get a better package from YLS (or SLS, I suppose), tell the financial aid people that you need more and fax them the offer.  Chances are they'll match it or beat it.

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This is me, with LSN down:
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If that doesn't work, google "site:www.lawschoolnumbers.com bassdesire" and click the word "cached" under the first hit.

If you are the same person as me, I would say don't sweat it.  Things will work out, though you'll be freaked out about it anyway.  And HLS was the right place for me in retrospect, regardless of personal ties.  This wouldn't be true for everyone.

If you have more info, I might be able to be more helpful.

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Well, I'm a bridesmaid- so probably 4-5 days.

The only bad thing is the timing.  You may miss important exam-related stuff.  Again, your profs are unlikely to care and even less likely to do anything about it. It depends on the profs I suppose.

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Uh, instead of buying a book with 55 Harvard essays, why not buy a subscription on Vault.com and get hundreds of essays for all schools, tons of school and employer info etc on top?

This is worst advice evar.

I think the book's like 12 bucks.  I don't know how much Vault is, but once you go to school, the employer info is probably unnecessary.  At least my school pays for an institutional subscription, so we have access to all the vault guides we need (as far as I can tell).

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bass--any clue about which essay is yours?  ::)

Yea, I have a clue, since I wrote it.  I'd tell you the page, but I haven't picked up my free copy (not in Cambridge this summer).  I think it starts, "With baggy jeans..."

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My sister's wedding is on Dec. 1 2007.  Will profs be understanding about the fact that I must go out of town?

1) How long will you be gone?  2) The answer to (1) doesn't really matter: people regularly miss class and no one cares, and no one needs to tell the prof.

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I agree with other posters in regard of many PS's in such books not being that great. I think many of the people who get in with those essays have very strong numbers, as such, they do not really develop their PS's much. It would be much better if people with 160's and mid 3.5's who got into YHS without AA or any other thing have their essays printed in those books.

I don't know whether you'd count my numbers as very strong or what, but I can tell you that I certainly worked on mine (for better or worse).  The type of person who has a 4.0 through ugrad and a 176+ on the LSAT isn't likely to be someone who blows off the personal statement.  It just doesn't fit the personality well.

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