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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:22:36 PM »
I'd have to do some detective work, but then I don't have access to your application. Mr. Stock could probably identify you in a matter of minutes (if not instantly) just from your LSN profile, and the specificity of the information would tend to mitigate any concerns that someone might be impersonating you.

Looks like we're talking past each other a bit.  I really meant the question to be most important.

Do you think that identifying LSDers (at whatever cost of effort) and judging them based on their posts ought to be part of the process?

It's possible, maybe easy.  Is it right?

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:18:13 PM »
Blog?

If you are suggesting this as an alternative outlet, then I think it isn't a bad idea.

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:13:10 PM »
Second, I get the feeling that making admissions decisions based on this board would be unethical. This is not something I care to think about enough to offer a strong argument, but by making decisions in this way, TStock would be, essentially, spying on applicants where they are most vulnerable, finding identifying characteristics, and then keeping an eye on applicants he isn't sure about.  This seems really shady.

Reading a public message board where posting is entirely voluntary hardly counts as "spying."

I agree that it's public, but do you really think that it should be fair game in the admissions process?  And it's not like I am posting my name, SSN, and LSAC # here, so he'd have to do some detective work.

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:07:37 PM »
I guess I couldn't have expected any better than what I'm getting here.  I'm pretty sure I've never gotten a positive response from either p-boy or Mr Big to any of my posts, so they don't surprise me.

Here's a thought from a feminine hygene product: the internet offers a place to vent feelings that you wouldn't vent elsewhere because you'd come across as a feminine hygiene product.  IRL, I bottle up plenty of emotions, as I'm sure many of you do, too.  So, IRL, when someone says "You are guaranteed to get into school X" even though you know that no one is, you just thank them or explain that it's a difficult process to predict.  On the net, you can say things like "I am so annoyed about the pressure people place on me, expecting me to get into school X when no one can expect to do so."  I like the fact that you can do that.

Also, IRL, I don't walk around telling anyone what I'm doing next year.  I don't even tell them I'm going to law school unless they ask, and I don't tell them I'm deciding between Yale, Harvard (if I get in), or NYU unless they ask that specifically.  I really like this board, and I like that it's generally anonymous because I can just throw the stuff on the table.  Honestly, I'm frustrated because I've wanted to get into to Harvard badly for a long time, and I really hate the wait.  I am very happpy to be in at Yale and NYU.  I am confused about the blog, TStock, and the whole process.  These are all things that I wouldn't advertise IRL because I don't want to be a feminine hygiene product.

I realize that there is a big flaw in all of this.  Many of the people on this board, regardless of where I end up, will meet me in law school.  I just hope that everyone realizes that none of us can really know each other from posts here.  I'll do my best to avoid the Harvard complaining, but if I'm going to do it, I'd rather do it here.  If I end up turning off p-boy and others, well...so be it.  Better them than my friends.

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:32:51 AM »
I didn't mention this in the OP, but I just wanted to point it out.

As many of you know, Yale is generally thought to be the best place to go for Academia.  I just wanted to give some anecdotal evidence for this.

I was talking to a mentor of mine (one of like 6 chaired professors at a Tier 1 law school) about where I should go to law school.  I mentioned that I was interested in academia, and he said "That's why you should go to yale." I said, "Yea, but if I get into Harvard, I wouldn't be losing much, right?"  His response was that Yale is head and shoulders above Harvard in producing Academics.  Just one profs opinion (he went to neither by the way), but a strong one.  He also happens to think that my interests (which are pretty theoretical much of the time) would make me happier at Yale, for what it's worth.

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:27:50 AM »
Yeah, I don't really get the sense of entitlement.  No offense, but you aren't exactly the perfect candidate (nor am I).  You did go to a public school, and you LSAT is great, but not necessarily auto-admit at Harvard.  Also, all of your ECs listed on LSN are academic related, Harvard may be concerned you are a bookworm, whereas they want more well-rounded people.  Of course, I don't know what your full application says....

I'm not writing this to try and attack you.  I just want to point out that every application, even the ones that on the face look extremely impressive, have flaws, and no one should feel entitled to get accepted to a school that may be more concerned with those flaws than we feel is justified.
Mr Philmore - I just wanted to point out that you ARE the perfect candidate.

jsia.

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:24:15 AM »
So TStock updated the blog with this:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/blog/

There are a few interesting smaller points.

1) "I look for evidence of serious scholarship as I read applications"
This is probably going to annoy people.  I'm sorry.  But if it's serious scholarship you are interested in, then wouldn't a law review article merit at least a phone call?

2) "many of you have noticed that I ask about that senior thesis in my phone calls"
Ok, so there are two ways to read the "notice" in the sentence.  He could mean that he has asked about the thesis in phone calls, which applicants obviously noticed.  But he could also mean that people have noticed in the sense that they have been talking, for example, on LSD about how he asked about the honors thesis.  Any chance that that's what he means?

3) "The faculty and administration of Harvard Law School are committed to developing the next generation of legal scholars and academics"
Do you think that this, which is representative of the whole entry, is just an advertisement trying to woo people away from Yale?  If so, I count this as blog entry number three in this vein.  The academia and competition posts would be indirect, and then there's the campfire one.

If we can interpret these three entries as trying to make Harvard look better than Yale, what do you think about this?  I see the blog as a source of information about specific programs at H, or as stated, "to make the admissions process at Harvard Law School more transparent."

Interested in thoughts on this post.

ok little buddy i will try to help out here.  first under 2) you allude to the fact that he may read LSD.  then under 1) you exude a strong sense of entitlement to an hls call/admit, similar to what you've done in the past here.  he might take offense to that.  i'd say posts like the one above only serve to hurt your chances at H.


Mister Community - Are you looking out for my best interests?  Why, aren't you the nicest LSD poster out there.

Honestly, I am well aware of such dangers.  But I think that, if TStock were to make decisions about people based on their posts on an anonymous message board, he would be making a couple mistakes.  First, I think he'd be doing a disservice to his school by judging what applicants will be like based on how they act on an anonymous board, since what people post here is not necessarily representative of who they are or who they will be at Harvard.  Regardless of what people say, for better or for worse, I think that many people on here will be different in law school. 

Second, I get the feeling that making admissions decisions based on this board would be unethical. This is not something I care to think about enough to offer a strong argument, but by making decisions in this way, TStock would be, essentially, spying on applicants where they are most vulnerable, finding identifying characteristics, and then keeping an eye on applicants he isn't sure about.  This seems really shady.  Add that to the fact that people could easily be impersonating others or using a community account (one that assumes the numbers and accomplishments of one user), and TStock might be forming judgments about a person who didn't even post.

So while I appreciate your sincere concern, I think that TStock should not be making decisions based on posts here, and, if he is, I'm willing to accept it.  LSD would have ruined my chances long ago.

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:10:35 AM »

1) "I look for evidence of serious scholarship as I read applications"
This is probably going to annoy people.  I'm sorry.  But if it's serious scholarship you are interested in, then wouldn't a law review article merit at least a phone call?


Sorry, but someone has to call bull on this.  An undergrad publishing in a law review is almost entirely meaningless as anyone with any background in academia will tell you.  You published in a student-reviewed journal, which is so far removed from the actual peer review process that people like Richard Posner publish articles like this: http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/November-December-2004/review_posner_novdec04.msp.  The bulk of law reviews exist to give law students something to put on their resume (and apparently for law school applicants to do the same).  Had you published a real article in a real journal, that might justify the arrogance of this statement.

Here's the sad thing, I would have thought you would get in had I not seen this post.  If you don't realize the outrageousness of this claim, it's hard to take you seriously as a scholar.  You appear to be very qualified on LSN, but I'm beginning to wonder now.  Perhaps this process brings out the worst in people.  Prove us wrong, give us a citation to your piece and let us decide whether or not Harvard is being anti-intellectual or not.

Give a citation?  I don't think that would be good for any sense of anonymity that I might want to retain, sorry.

But I will tell you this.  The law review I published in is unique in that it is peer-reviewed.  My paper was not accepted by students but professors.  It is, however, not a well-ranked law review.

That said, do I think that I am a "serious scholar"?  No way!  I never did.  I just think that comparatively, since he is looking for "evidence of serious scholarship" while picking through law school applications, a law review publication should catch his eye at least as much as a senior thesis.  I don't doubt that many of these theses are better than my paper, by the way.

For those of you bashing the sense the sense of entitlement, you are right on with your criticisms.  It's just frustration, particularly in light of the recent blog entry.

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Law School Applications / TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:08:24 AM »
So TStock updated the blog with this:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/blog/

There are a few interesting smaller points.

1) "I look for evidence of serious scholarship as I read applications"
This is probably going to annoy people.  I'm sorry.  But if it's serious scholarship you are interested in, then wouldn't a law review article merit at least a phone call?

2) "many of you have noticed that I ask about that senior thesis in my phone calls"
Ok, so there are two ways to read the "notice" in the sentence.  He could mean that he has asked about the thesis in phone calls, which applicants obviously noticed.  But he could also mean that people have noticed in the sense that they have been talking, for example, on LSD about how he asked about the honors thesis.  Any chance that that's what he means?

3) "The faculty and administration of Harvard Law School are committed to developing the next generation of legal scholars and academics"
Do you think that this, which is representative of the whole entry, is just an advertisement trying to woo people away from Yale?  If so, I count this as blog entry number three in this vein.  The academia and competition posts would be indirect, and then there's the campfire one.

If we can interpret these three entries as trying to make Harvard look better than Yale, what do you think about this?  I see the blog as a source of information about specific programs at H, or as stated, "to make the admissions process at Harvard Law School more transparent."

Interested in thoughts on this post.


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Law School Applications / Re: Held at Harvard: What does this mean?
« on: January 24, 2006, 10:36:15 PM »
I assume you'll send a cover letter outlining your updates.  If one of those updates is your transcript, then you might explain, but keep it positive.  Something like, "I have included an updated transcript that shows the rigorous schedule that I took this past semester.  I wanted to add X double major or whatever, so my performance was below what I usually produce, but I am proud to have achieved a 3.45 while doing XYZ and stepping closer to double major Q."

I would just put it in one paragraph of the cover letter, and I wouldn't dwell on it.  But if there is something about those classes (that is positive) you can point out (e.g., awesome honors thesis experience), do it.

The class that really brought my GPA down was graded on a tough curve with few (if any) getting above a B+. Should I mention that?

Sure, just try to figure out a way not to highlight it as a negative. 

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