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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Is an Online degree useful for law school?
« on: November 20, 2011, 01:05:25 PM »
Hi tito,

I took the LSAT twice.  My first score was well, awful, and pitted me at terrible fourth tier schools as my options.  Some schools no one should go to.  There are schools that have less than %50 employment numbers.  Less than half their grads can find a job, that's messed up and many of these schools should close their doors out of basic human decency. My second score was much better and landed me many more better options.  I got lucky because most schools don't average multiple scores anymore. It was hard for me to wrap my head around how important this stupid f.ing test is.  The LSAT, almost exclusively, can make you or break you.  In a way its good for you because it makes your online degree, and all undergrad degrees for that matter, nearly meaningless.

Powerscore has great prep books.  Master the LSAT is good too.  An understanding of logic and a bunch of prep tests do wonders.  I took a Kaplan course- utter waste of money.  The prep books are much better.  I didn't like Kaplan or Prinston, but I have talk to at least one person who like the former, no one who liked the latter. Good luck buddy.

Hi Fortook,

How's your law school applications going so far? 

How many law schools are you aiming at applying to?


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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Is an Online degree useful for law school?
« on: November 20, 2011, 12:48:08 PM »
I think law school admissions departments know a prune from a plum, APUS may be accredited but like other online schools does not have a good reputation in general owing to low admission standards and lax grading for retention purposes. An APUS graduate could have a rough time getting admitted at a better law school.

I did my research and found out that 2 A.P.U.S. alumni were admitted to University of Michigan Law School. One is currently attending there, the other is practicing law at a big law firm in Houston. 

Like everyone on here has it, it all depends on your GPA, LSAT scores, and the school being Regionally accredited.


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Good luck tito. Like the rest of the posters I doubt your online degree will be a problem, that doesn't mean it is an asset though.  Have you taken the LSAT yet?  While your online degree probably won't be a problem (i.e bar), the field is still very competitive.  You'll need a killer LSAT score. Aiming Tier 1 and 2 is ambitious for everyone, including people who got their Bachelor's brick and mortar Ivy style.  I wish you well.

Fortook,

I haven't taken the LSAT, yet. Have you taken it? how did you perform on it and what advise do you suggest in preparation to excel on the exam? No doubt about it that it's a very competitive field to get into, especially in this rough economy. Lately, I've been thinking of holding off on applying right after I finish college, until the economy gets better. Thank you for wishing me well on the process, it will be tough one, just like medical school.

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haus, that's kool buddy.  I was more intending to hint, nicely, to the OP that he has a ton of research to do.  Saying you want to apply to all 4-tier schools from Yale to Columbia (or whatever top 14 school he mentioned) shows a serious miss/dissunderstanding of the system.  6 schools is normal, but to apply to say 50 is $5000 in fees and somewhat aimless.  Granted $5000 is chump change considering the overall cost, but still not many of us have $5000 in disposable income lying around, hence the need for a strategy. There are schools that no one should go to based on accreditation, location, employment, cost just to name a few important factors. Why waste resources (money) applying to schools you have no intention of going to?

Fortook,

I'm actually looking into applying at Tiers I and II. I do have intentions of going into law school, depends on which ones I end up applying to and getting accepted. I will also be looking at schools who offer fee waivers for their applications, I've heard of a few folks who were lucky enough to receive fee waivers from plenty of law schools. I understand I exaggerated when I originally posted about applying into 50 schools, the maximum that I would aim to apply to would be 15. Even then, that's pushing it. Like I said, I'm looking into options, choices from the Law Schools I aim at applying to.

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I know George Washington University and American University take a good number of slitters into their JD programs. I'm not sure about Georgetown and George Mason. It doesn't hurt to apply to all the Law schools you want to consider attending. UCONN is a pretty good law school.

Have you taken the LSAT exam?

I have not taken the LSAT. My current thought is that I want to stay focused on completing my masters degree, which should be done in December. I have promised my family that I will take two years before I start another degree. Although I suspect I can get away with using a portion of this time to prep for the LSAT.

Back in January, while I was taking time off from work to attend a January Term course at school, I opted to spend a few hours taking timed practice exam (PT60) and scored 154. While the score was lower than I was hoping for, it was without any prep. I am fairly confident that improvement from this first score should be possible.


I'm sure you'll do  much better in the actual exam. I'm hoping to take a prep class to get more understanding of the exam. Plus, I want to try the study guides and books to get an idea. I'm hoping to apply to Georgetown, Northwestern, USC Gould College of Law (even though those schools are tough to get accepted into).

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Haus,

What law school(s) are you looking into applying to?

For me selecting potential schools will be based on career/family issues. At the moment I am living and working in Northern Virginia, as such I would likely blanket the part-time programs in the DC area: Georgetown (major reach), George Washington (very expensive), George Mason (more affordable with in-state tuition), American (very expensive), Catholic (very expensive), and UDC (very low ranked, but even out of city tuition is less than in-state at Mason).

The internal argument that I have is the role a JD would play in my expected career path, and what it would be worth in price. I suspect that if I managed to somehow get Georgetown to let me in the door (unlikely, I know) I think that I would be willing to pay the hefty sticker price. Sticker at GW, American, or Catholic I am not so sure about (and to make matters worse, it appears these programs are not very generous with PT students). The more affordable schools Mason & UDC do not look to be overly punishing from a financial stand point, although I am bothered by the five nights a week that 1Ls need to attend as PT students at Mason.

Actually if one of the local programs offered something like the weekend PT program that Hamline has, I would be interested, but it currently does not exist and I am not holding my breath for it to happen in the near future. I have actually considered applying to Hamline and flying up each weekend. Of course, this is insane, but I have bee traveling up to Cambridge off and on for weekly courses for my Masters degree program at the Harvard Extension School.

For work and family reasons I my consider moving to Connecticut, should this happen my options would likely change to UConn and Quinnipiac.

Sorry for the long winded answer to a simple question.


I know George Washington University and American University take a good number of slitters into their JD programs. I'm not sure about Georgetown and George Mason. It doesn't hurt to apply to all the Law schools you want to consider attending. UCONN is a pretty good law school.

Have you taken the LSAT exam?

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APUS also operates American Military University.  A good friend of mine was accepted to William and Mary with an AMU BS and great LSAT score.  I think the latter carried more weight than the former.

Good Luck.

wjo9522,

What Major/Concentration did your friend study at AMU?

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tito_99,

For what it is worth, I am an someone who is merely considering law school, my undergrad degree is from Strayer University, not prestigious in any way shape or form. It was the 11th college/university that I attended in pursuit of my BS over the course of 16 years. I chose Strayer because they were situated near where I lived and worked and had a program flexible enough to help me take the big mess of transcripts that I had and apply them to a degree in two years of part-time study. Earning the degree helped me in my primary career (IT/InfoSec) as my employer felt that I was now worth 15% more then before I had the degree. Despite this I felt disappointed in the way that I had wrapped things up and the degree that I received.

I decided that I wanted an additional degree, from a more (positively) recognizable educational institution, but at the same time I was unwilling to walk away from my career. So I started looking for respected schools that had programs geared towards working adults that were either in the DC region or that had means of offering courses to those not physically nearby for a lion's share of the degree program. My short list came down to Johns Hopkins, George Washington, Columbia, and Harvard. The first two being near DC, the other two had on-line offerings. After looking them over, contacting faculty & students, and considering various pros and cons that stood out to me, I chose Harvard (specifically Harvard's Extension School for a Masters (ALM) degree in Information Technology).

This degree requires twelve course, one of them must be in person at the campus in Cambridge, MA. The path that I have chosen has lead to three classes in person, I am currently in the last few weeks of this third and final in residence course. Two of these course I have flown up for class mid-day, attended the class at night, and then flown back home the following morning, the other course was a J-term course, which I rented a room for three weeks, took vacation time from work and stayed near campus.

While working on this degree I have become more aware of how much impact legal matters have in the InfoSec world, which has lead me to consider pursing a JD. Over the last two years or so, I have reached out to speak with members of the admissions teams at some of the DC area law schools with PT programs, as well as students who are attending these schools. Some of my areas of concern are the relatively poor performance when I started school back in early 90s and a degree from a non-prestigious school. Most of the advice that I received was of a similar nature. The poor performance early on would hurt some as it lead to a lower overall GPA (~3.1), but the overall improving trend, and a strong finish (last 13 courses came in at over 3.9) would at least be noted. As for the school that I graduated from, no one seem particular bothered by it, albeit no one was particularly excited about it either, I suspect that the same would said of the school that you are attending.

I would like to take a moment to plug Harvard Extension School (HES) as a possible option for those finding it difficult to find a college that meets their needs to complete a Bachelors degree. To earn a Bachelors (ALB) at HES, one needs to complete 4 classes in person. Under graduate courses currently cost ~$950 each. Generally speaking admissions into a degree program is based on successful completion of three courses (see their website for details).

I wish you the nest of luck on completing your degree and your pursuit of law school.


Haus,

What law school(s) are you looking into applying to?

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APUS also operates American Military University.  A good friend of mine was accepted to William and Mary with an AMU BS and great LSAT score.  I think the latter carried more weight than the former.

Good Luck.

That's impressive! Congratulations to your friend for getting accepted into William & Mary. That's a good, competitive school to get accepted into. Its brings more confidence to me about applying to law school using my undergraduate degree from APUS.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Is an Online degree useful for law school?
« on: January 05, 2011, 09:31:28 PM »
A lot of universities have evening programs. I'd be surprised if your local universities do not.

They don't really offer night classes like before, because of the budget cuts California is going through. Majority of the Upper-Division History classes are either day or mid-afternoon courses. It really sucks too, since it will take much longer for me to finish that what I want it to anticipate for Graduation.

Nearest schools to me are either Cal State LA, or Cal State Northridge. Both have been suffering from reducing class offerings.

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