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Financial Aid / Re: Just plain freaking out
« on: February 20, 2006, 09:12:44 PM »
I know what you mean. My credit is marginal, I live pay check to pay check, and the FAFSA 18.5k isn't going to cover my annual expenses. If I don't get massive scholarships (which isn't likely) then its private loan time. I'm reluctant to take out heavy private loans, but if its the difference between going where I want and going to a lower choice then I'll just pony up, get a co-signer, and pay it off once I graduate.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Kent v. Loyola
« on: February 20, 2006, 07:43:44 PM »
As someone who's applied to Loyola this thread has been very informative to me. I was hoping to hijack the topic for a moment and ask what you all thought of Loyola in comparison to the University of Illinois-Urbana. From what I've found the U of Ill. is not only ranked significantly higher, but their the average pay is similar and the school is cheaper. Is there anyone in this thread who knows more about the region professionally who is willing to comment on the two schools?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Rate the avatar of the poster above you!
« on: February 20, 2006, 12:39:27 PM »
6/10 Interesting Motions, but kinda odd...

Matthies: I used to sport that very avatar a while back. Now that I see it here in this context all I can do is laugh as it reminds me of filling out applications  ;)

Law School Admissions / Re: Univ of Iowa
« on: February 18, 2006, 02:54:36 PM »
That's a tough call. If it were me I'd choose Minnesota. At the point that I'm going to be tens of thousands of dollars in debt by time I graduate anyway, whats a few more? But then again seeing as those schools are so similar thats almost like money in your pocket so I see where you're coming from. Regardless, I don't think this is one of those things where you can go wrong. Just look at their programs in the areas that interest you, look at how some of their alumns are doing in those fields, and just evaluate what that 10k gets you from Minnesota and ask if its worth 10k.

Congrats on your acceptances and scholarships and I'm sure you'll do fine whereever you end up.

Law School Admissions / Re: Univ of Iowa
« on: February 18, 2006, 02:17:34 PM »
As someone who has lived in the Midwest my entire life, I can tell you that Iowa will open up opportunities for you anywhere in the midwest and, as another poster said, almost anywhere if you are in the top 15%. On the other hand Minnesota is an excellent school as well. Really the environments are pretty similar, obviously Minnesota will give you advantages in the Twin Cities area and Iowa will give you advantages in the Omaha/Council Bluffs area. They are both quality schools, the weather in Iowa is slightly nicer, the fishing in Minnesota is significantly better, if you enjoy the nightlife they are actually really similar with Minnesota being a little nicer but more pricey.
If you really aren't interested in "big law" then the difference in quality and opportunity between the two is marginal. Look at the costs and the locations (they are close enough where you could probably tour both campuses on the same trip)and go off that. Best of luck!

Law School Admissions / Re: Wow, I made the most stupid mistake-HELP
« on: February 09, 2006, 03:25:05 PM »
The best advice I can give you is to sit through the test and immediately cancel the score. You are definately out the money, but at least this way you will gain some test experience and the score won't count. Sorry to hear about the mishap though and I hope things work out as best they can.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Help a guy out
« on: January 28, 2006, 11:49:57 PM »
Ok, so I am about to crack.  I've sent off 24 applications, most of which I have zero chance.  This is mainly due to my so-so LSAT (156) and my bad GPA (2.58).  I was diagnosed with dyslexia during my freshman year and turned my grades around but I just couldn't do that much.  I went on after undergrad and did my MS and got a 3.83.  I've been working for the last five years in management for the world's top hotel company.  I submitted an addendum regarding my GPA and the prof who diagnosed and helped me also sent a letter regarding my situation.

So that brings me to the point where I need y'all's help.  I feel that out of all my apps the one I have the best chance that would lead to the best results would be Drexel.  I know that many on this board have no need for a brand new program with no alumi network but in my search it may just be the thing. 

I know that I went complete on 1-14 and that they open apps on Wed so I should be hearing soon.  I am just hoping for nothing or do I have a shot. ??? ??? ???

First of all, congratulations on turning your grades around and doing so well in getting your MS. My recommendation for you would be to consider retaking the LSAT now that you have learned to work with your dyslexia. Lots of people with a UGPA like yours will get into a top 100 school this year and most of them won't have your outstanding track record in school at the graduate level. If you could bring that LSAT up to 160 or more I doubt you would have to worry about settling for a school you are worried about attending.

That being said, I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with Drexel. It seems like they are well on their way to approval and I couldn't see them not at least getting provisional accreditation which would get their entering class an accredited degree. Beyond that, if you want to practice locally then even if for some reason they couldn't even get provisionally accredited after 3 years then you should still be okay. The real question is are you really interested in attending Drexel or are you just settling out of fear of rejection. If its the latter definately don't go, retake the LSAT, and apply next year starting in early decision season. If its the former than more power to you and I'm sure you'll get accepted and have a great time as a member of Drexel's founding class.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: $$$ or Prestige
« on: January 24, 2006, 12:22:04 PM »
No one can really answer this question unless you give us some insight into who you are and what you want out of a legal education. Are you single or a family man? What type of law do you want to practice? Where do you want to practice? How much college debt have you acquired to date? These are important questions in determining where you want to go. BC is much more prestigious and it'll be easier to make more money as a graduate from its program. But that all depends on where you practice and what kind of law you work in. Another key question I think isn't getting addressed is what the prestige value of going to Val and being in the top 10% of your class is versus going to Boston and having much tougher competition for the higher positions.

If the LSAT is really a questionable indicator of law school performance why do most law schools favor it above all other factors? I hate to resort to the authoritative argument, but I give these schools (some of which have been doing this for over a century) some credit that they know what makes a good prospect and what doesn't. Honestly, if you are going to suggest that the LSAT means so little then this is something you're gonna need to account for.


So, to answer your question, people go to non-ABA schools because they want to be lawyers, and have realized what you have yet to grasp--reputation is one thing, but drive and ability overpowers repuation 9 days of the week.

Ouch, okay. Well, like my first post said I thought if you're school wasn't accreditted you couldn't take the bar and therefore couldn't become a practicing lawyer. Apparently, you can take the bar in your own state and maybe in other states. My question wasn't meant to be derogatory towards the schools or the people that go to them, it just didn't make sense to me from my understanding of how the bar worked (which was mistaken). However, while I do agree that drive and ability are what it boils down to for success in life I don't think you can discount the pull that reputation has in where you can work and what you can do, especially in law. HYS grads can get the internships and the jobs without being the best in their class while tier 3s and 4s need to be in the top 10% to do a lot of the same. I can only imagine its even harder for non accreditted schools even though their cirriculum and instructors might be better than many of the 3s and 4s.

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