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I didn't say there were no non-URM's who got below the 25th percentile.  I said there were very few who got TEN POINTS below like you posited.

I'm sure if I made an argument that as many whites got in with 10 points below the median as blacks (which is likely to be true, just because of the numbers of Non-URMs at elite schools who score below the median) you'd find another reason to defend the performance of white students. For your theory to be true, every black people at elite schools would have to score 10 points below the median and every white student who scored belong the 25 percent median had LSAT scores exactly at the 25 percent median. I say that's statisically impossible because then the 25 percent median would be lower than published.

You are slightly misunderstanding his argument. For it to be true every black person at elite schools would not have to have scores 10 points below the median. First of all, when you say bottom 25% you are essentially counting it as 25%. In fact, 10 points below the median is well below the 25% line anywhere. It would most likely be bottom 5%. Now, all Googler is trying to say is that a URM with a score 10 or more points below the median is more likely to get in than a Caucasian or Asian American with the same scores. At that point one ought to give credit where credit is due and the URM should admit that was why they got accepted. Also, the inverse "getting in because of being an overrepresented majority" argument floating around here is flawed. It is the equivalent of a 180/2.5 splitter saying he got accepted to NYU because of his GPA. Googler's point is valid as long as we are a) only looking at LSAT scores and URM status and b) maintain that the two are not related. The only valid argument against his, in the thread, is that URMs consistantly outperform their LSAT scores once in law school and therefore LSAT scores should not be weighted as heavily for them in admissions decisions. While I have never seen any studies on this, I can say that if it is true then there is a legitimate and merit-based reason why URMs shouldn't have to "fess up" to getting into law schools because of their status.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Add a word
« on: February 21, 2006, 01:53:20 PM »

Hey! I didn't get a Harumph outta that guy  >:(
I'm watching you!

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Add a word
« on: February 21, 2006, 12:51:04 PM »

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Scott is awesome.
« on: February 21, 2006, 12:35:55 PM »
Hrumph Hrumph!

Financial Aid / Re: Just plain freaking out
« on: February 20, 2006, 08:12:44 PM »
I know what you mean. My credit is marginal, I live pay check to pay check, and the FAFSA 18.5k isn't going to cover my annual expenses. If I don't get massive scholarships (which isn't likely) then its private loan time. I'm reluctant to take out heavy private loans, but if its the difference between going where I want and going to a lower choice then I'll just pony up, get a co-signer, and pay it off once I graduate.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Kent v. Loyola
« on: February 20, 2006, 06:43:44 PM »
As someone who's applied to Loyola this thread has been very informative to me. I was hoping to hijack the topic for a moment and ask what you all thought of Loyola in comparison to the University of Illinois-Urbana. From what I've found the U of Ill. is not only ranked significantly higher, but their the average pay is similar and the school is cheaper. Is there anyone in this thread who knows more about the region professionally who is willing to comment on the two schools?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Rate the avatar of the poster above you!
« on: February 20, 2006, 11:39:27 AM »
6/10 Interesting Motions, but kinda odd...

Matthies: I used to sport that very avatar a while back. Now that I see it here in this context all I can do is laugh as it reminds me of filling out applications  ;)

Law School Admissions / Re: Univ of Iowa
« on: February 18, 2006, 01:54:36 PM »
That's a tough call. If it were me I'd choose Minnesota. At the point that I'm going to be tens of thousands of dollars in debt by time I graduate anyway, whats a few more? But then again seeing as those schools are so similar thats almost like money in your pocket so I see where you're coming from. Regardless, I don't think this is one of those things where you can go wrong. Just look at their programs in the areas that interest you, look at how some of their alumns are doing in those fields, and just evaluate what that 10k gets you from Minnesota and ask if its worth 10k.

Congrats on your acceptances and scholarships and I'm sure you'll do fine whereever you end up.

Law School Admissions / Re: Univ of Iowa
« on: February 18, 2006, 01:17:34 PM »
As someone who has lived in the Midwest my entire life, I can tell you that Iowa will open up opportunities for you anywhere in the midwest and, as another poster said, almost anywhere if you are in the top 15%. On the other hand Minnesota is an excellent school as well. Really the environments are pretty similar, obviously Minnesota will give you advantages in the Twin Cities area and Iowa will give you advantages in the Omaha/Council Bluffs area. They are both quality schools, the weather in Iowa is slightly nicer, the fishing in Minnesota is significantly better, if you enjoy the nightlife they are actually really similar with Minnesota being a little nicer but more pricey.
If you really aren't interested in "big law" then the difference in quality and opportunity between the two is marginal. Look at the costs and the locations (they are close enough where you could probably tour both campuses on the same trip)and go off that. Best of luck!

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