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Thanks Derrick,

I will shoot you an email.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: another article I found interesting-Where the Jobs Are
« on: October 06, 2010, 08:28:24 PM »

I read that as "shackled to their desks and flayed with cracking whips."

Incoming 1Ls / Re: another article I found interesting-Where the Jobs Are
« on: October 06, 2010, 06:11:04 PM »
OMG...a little good news?

military service, and individual service (in the military and elsewhere, such as the Peace Corps or even for missionaries) can range from exhilirating to rewarding to treacherous to grossly unfair (or all of the above) . . .

Yes, and often this all happens during one day.  The joy of service...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: top law school vs national law school
« on: October 06, 2010, 05:51:21 PM »
VERY well put by Thane.

His point about debt and investment is well worth listening to.  As a former business wonk (Yes, after I finished buying $600 toilet seats in the navy), we call it ROI: return on investment.  It is the judicious application of this ratio that often times results in a business either succeeding or failing.  Thane also gave a nod to timing.  That too is a part of the equation.

Don't ever forget that unless you are in a non-profit, government or academic position, the law indeed IS all about profits (and a well-run practice).  I am trying to think along those lines now, as a 0L. 

Had I the confidence in my ability to really know that I would excel (or even be admitted!) at HYS, I probably would risk taking on the debt.  It is very much an individual question.  In my case, I see (and pray for) a partial ride to a good T-1/2 state school.  I have confidence that by doing the things Thane mentioned (study SMART-learn the LAW), that I can be in the top 25%.  The positions that would possibly be available to me as a graduate would likely fulfill my salary needs.

All 0Ls should seriously be considering these things for themselves.  Law school is just not done half-way.  That is surely a recipe for disaster.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: top law school vs national law school
« on: October 06, 2010, 09:43:10 AM »

Very well put.  I would put a very general hypothetical age at about 30 for taking the debt plunge.  I could see myself jumping at HLS/YLS if I were 15 years younger.  If BIGLAW were my focus, I could see a 33yr old being competitive as a potential associate, even with a few years of post-BA/pre-JD experience.  A 40 year old?  Ummmmmmprobably not.  The same would hold true if academia was the goal.  Even though the salaries are lower, that additional 15 years would make a difference.  Unless you have a mattress stuffed with $100s from that little side trip to Nicaragua.....servicing a debt gets harder as time goes on.

Thane.....I think you just got called out by Morten!  LOL

I think yet another way in which military veterans have an edge is that we have become accustomed to
direct (and sometimes brutal) criticism. 

Hearing folks like Thane saying, "No, Johnny.  Your score is NOT good enough for Harvard," does not have us running for the crying towel.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: For Current Law Students
« on: October 06, 2010, 06:31:45 AM »

Are you being a shameless hussy?


Incoming 1Ls / Re: fyi-LOR
« on: October 06, 2010, 06:22:14 AM »

Even as a 0L, I would tend to agree with you.  I have sat on promotion boards as a military officer, and been a hiring manager in business.  Specifically tailored recommendations that are not canned and cliche ridden can be very effective.

Formulaic cardboard dreck just makes the eyes of the reviewer glaze over.  I simply speak from experience.

I can also see how LS applications can be exaggerated or downright untrue.  Not EVERY 23 year old can have gone on an international "Save the Children" mission, or serve as the President's "RIGHT HAND ADOLESCENT."  Come on.  I think these exaggerations are born simply from the urge to "pump up" the resume.  Funny enough, my LS advisor is kicking me in the rear about NOT leaving out some military experiences that I find it difficult to write about (Somalia and Rwanda).  Such is maybe one advantage of being an "old fart."

Incoming 1Ls / Re: top law school vs national law school
« on: October 06, 2010, 06:10:57 AM »

If you mean that the choice is a highly individual thing, I absolutely agree with you.   Making a knee-jerk pick based solely on USNWR is ludicrous.

Situations are different.  For me, an acceptance letter to Yale would mean very little other than a pat on the back.  I am debt averse at my age and assuming a $150K debt is absolutely not an option.

If I were a 23 year old cocky gunner with a Daddy who has deep pockets, I would be excited to pack for New Haven, most likely.

From all that I have read, it largely depends on the personal situation of the student, their eventual employment goals (BIGLAW, small regional firm, etc), their academic potential, and personal/social/cultural preferences.  I seriously believe in making a campus visit to any school one would seriously consider attending.  I have done so with three schools so far, and I will not be applying until next year.


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