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Incoming 1Ls / Re: FAMU over Harvard
« on: October 16, 2010, 01:17:58 PM »
Choices, choices...Having them to make is actually pretty nice, eh?

This type of choice is relatively easy, at least for me.

I won't be listening to Harvard or Yale bang on my front door.  If I am lucky, it'll be more like comparing the relative
positives and negatives of a scholarship mix from Miami, Stetson, and FIU balanced by maybe an acceptance to FSU and/or UF.

Go to a solid Tier 2 well regarded in the state, paying full freight?
Possibly attend a local Tier 3 that may go as far as to offer a full scholly with stipend?
Attend in south Florida, because THAT may be the best financial option?

The only tough choice I can see would be if a T-14 accepted me and then gave me maybe a half tuition scholarship(yeah RIGHT).  NOW
the choice between that and a full ride would be a bit agonizing.

ALL of the choices we make are based on each of our own situations, goals, and values.

VERY nice..

Thank you!

Browsing through LSN 2009 admission stats, here are a few Tier 1 and 2 schools (Top 100 by USNWR) where you may possibly gain admission as URM:

American University (T-1/#48)
Arizona State (T-1/#38)
Brooklyn Law (T-2/#67)
Chicago-Kent (T-2/#80)
**Emory (T-1/#22)
Florida State (T-2/#54)
George Mason (T-1/#42)
**Indiana University/Bloomington (T-1/#27)
Penn State (T-2/#72)
Rutgers (T-2/#80)

This is just a quick perusal.  You may evn want to apply at a few more solidly T-2 schools in order to get some
scholarship $$


Her posts were from January of this year.  I wonder what happened.

I am still wrapping my head around the URM thing.  It just pisses me off that with my GPA, and (yes I know) LSAT practice scores, URMs
are getting into HLS, and receiving BIG BUCKS from other T-14s.  Here I am crossing my fingers and toes to even approach T-1......whooopeee

WAIT!  I am old and bald.  I would say my type is seriously under-represented, LOL.

Job Search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: October 14, 2010, 09:39:23 PM »
I like the approach that John suggests.  Unfortunately, that is the reality that most of us are (or will be) facing.
Were I in the OP's shoes, I think I'd be too impatient not to grab at ANYTHING that faintly resembled
substantial practice.  I (seriously) am pulling for all you grads....

We had a saying in the military when things were completely jacked up:

  SEMPER GUMBY!   (Always FLEXIBLE!)  Oh NO, Mr. Bill!

Current Law Students / Re: Which type of law?
« on: October 14, 2010, 10:46:29 AM »
Aside from all the flowery advice you've been given on this thread about the pros and cons of attending law school, a major CON left out (which this entire site systematically ignores) is that the employment prospects and salary expectations for most current law students are'll save you time, money, heartache, and stress that is not worth the $45K a year job that awaits you.

Flowery advice?  Not everyone interested in law school is a naive dreamer, USC.  I refuse to discourage folks from pursuing their passion.  While the ROI calculation is vital, not everyone's life is governed by a better solution to that ratio.

It is highly advisable to face the realities of debt and employment possibilities.  You also should realize that some folks, especially non-trads, have years of networking experience under our collective belts.  We know that we will not have the OCI Fairy dropping a six figure position in our (wider) laps.  I am making about as much money as a summer associate in my current (UNDERGRAD) internship, and performing those research tasks normally delegated to one.  If I passed the bar tomorrow, I would have a position in my current firm.  The key is that I refuse to go into massive debt, and I have resources that the typical 22 year old grad does not.

I am absolutely not "tooting" the proverbial horn.  My point is that NOT everyone feels the doom and gloom.  If the law is not your passion, and you need to fold "the Benjamins," an MBA is a much better ROI.  THAT is what we should be telling those who ask.

Caveat emptor, eh? 


I will be assembling LORS from a wide spectrum of people:  (1) Professor/Dean  (2) Judge/Professor (3) CEO of former company (4) retired Admiral for whom I served as Chief of Staff (now, of course, he is an Exec with a major DOD contractor).

My thinking is that to give the admissions folks the most accurate picture of me (especially as a "non-trad"), recommendations from a mentor from each of my career(s) and latest educational effort would serve well. I have worked/learned intensively for/with each of my recommenders.

Does anyone think this strategy is weak? 

Law School Admissions / Re: possible appeal of GPA calculations
« on: October 12, 2010, 01:46:35 AM »
Sure.  I can help you correct that old GPA, AND....fix your credit report.  Just send $19.99 to....
 :-\   I am obviously being facetious. 

Welcome to the Discussion!  You came to the right place for help in the LS process.  There are quite a few knowledgeable folks here.  I am, just like you, a non-traditional student hoping to gain admission to "The Show."  I have learned quite a bit here.

My grades for that beer and bong-fogged year are "only" 25 years old, but, alas there is absolutely nothing
to be done to "appeal" them.  They will indeed hang out and drag down the old LSAC UGPA.  My own recent
degree GPA is 3.97 (over 92 hours), but figure my LSAC average will probably be 3.5 or so.

Many of the more experienced folks here (attorneys Thane Messinger and Morten Lund come to mind) can tell you how best to
include mention of the upward trend of your grades in your personal statement or in an addendum.
From what I have read here, it can have some degree of effect, especially if you can crank out
that 173. In LS admissions jargon, your GPA/presumed LSAT stats are what they call a "splitter."

Good luck!

Current Law Students / Re: Thinking about going to law school....
« on: October 11, 2010, 08:11:06 PM »

I think Tanrael accurately expressed my concerns for AngelVoice.  I waited until after my children were grown (and a military retirement) to pursue an interest in the law that I've held my entire adult life.  Many years ago I determined that I couldn't risk my family's security to chase a J.D.  NOW is my time.

Everyone has to make these decisions for themselves.  AngelVoice just has to know that she indeed WILL face more challenges than you do as a child-free 20 something in LS.  Not that those good grades you have earned weren't the result of busting your ass.....

Don't feed the trolls.  :-p

Honestly if you want to go into law and are only a year into school, I would recommend switching degrees or taking a heavy courseload in philosophy or science.  Paralegal studies, prelaw and criminal justice do not seem to help folks prepare much for the LSAT.  I would also recommend doing a lot of reading and studying to figure out your personal counter to the very valid points raised by the negativity.

1.  How much have you done to ensure that you know what you are getting into?

2.  How are you planning on paying for college and grad school.  If you are taking out loans now then you are taking on a boatload of risk.

3.  Have you decided what level of risk you are willing to assume?  If your LSAT isn't good enough for a top regional school in the location you want to practice in, are you willing to walk away?

Current Law Students / Re: Thinking about going to law school....
« on: October 11, 2010, 07:59:28 PM »

Despite myself, I have to support IPFreely's position.

The woman in question came here for earnest advice.  You know yourself that a career in the law (if any of us actually make it--you and IPF are far closer than I am) requires a thick skin.   IPF is being harsh, sure.  So partners are never arrogantly dismissive of summer associates?
You and I believe in courtesy and professionalism.  Unfortunately not everyone demonstrates these traits.

IPF's point (if I am understanding him), is that if she is serious, she needs to ring the alarm bell and "get hot."   At this stage she needs MUCH more information to make these important decisions about.  She needs to dig, read and discuss with her family.  All of this is absolutely possible, because she is just starting undergrad.  She needs to understand that the decision to attend LS is not an easy one, especially for a non-trad.   I am supportive of her, but agree with IPF that she needs to dig more to ensure that LS is really what she wants.

Just my 1 cent.   

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