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You raise a good point about the volatility of pricing. As someone who thinks that law school might be in my future, I am alarmed at the price changes I have observed in the last 5-10 years. In the two likely areas that I would consider going to school, DC & Connecticut, there are several schools that offer part-time programs, but few of them are are inexpensive. George Mason cost roughly 15k/year for PT tuition (in-state), GW will set you back 33k, Georgetown, for those that get 39k, Quinnipiac 29k. And this is just the starting point, in some ways it is hard to predict the future, but I will bet $5 right now, that every single one of the school I mentioned will cost more in 5 years then they do now.

Given the relative lack of flexibility in the study of law, you are left with the choice of taking a chance when you pick a school and hope that the really bad tuition increases do not happen during your time. The relative bargain is often the state/government sponsored schools (UConn $14k (in-state), UDC $11k (out of district)), but given the budget problems being reported by nearly every state and city it seems that the amount of financial support given to public schools is not going to increase, and could potentially fall on short notice, leaving those who are part way through their respective programs holding the bag.

If nothing else, I would like to see some form tuition protection for those who are locked into a specific program, or at least realistic numbers explaining what they are facing for the expected duration of their studies.

(all cost numbers referring to PT programs)

Current Law Students / Re: UDC
« on: January 19, 2011, 08:10:21 AM »

Did you copy everything related to UDC from the book into your posting?

I am glad to see that UDC seems to have improved the bar passage rate of its students, and has remained a very reasonable price (by law school standards, most of which cost mor money then they should).

The next few years will be interesting for UDC. I hope that budget concerns to not cause large jumps in tuition that have plagued many schools.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 140 by just putting C all the way down.
« on: January 18, 2011, 11:12:51 AM »
A quick look at PrepTest 60.

Picking all A's - 16 correct, score of 120
Picking all B's - 16 correct, score of 120
Picking all C's - 26 correct, score of 130
Picking all D's - 26 correct, score of 130
Picking all E's - 15 correct, score of 120

Roughly dumb lock score of 20 on average, would equate to a score 124.

Hard to imagine that this would be a good idea for anyone this side of a potted plant.

Law School Admissions / Re: Igcse Applying for law soon
« on: January 18, 2011, 08:20:17 AM »

I do not think that the previous comment was intended as criticism. Instead I think that he was trying to point out that overall this forum has been rather US centric, and that the vast majority who post here may not have much knowledge of how things are done elsewhere (this includes me).

I can tell you that the common perception among most students applying to US law schools is that the lack of any particular coursework as an undergrad (assuming that one was granted a degree) is unlikely to be a bar to admission at a law school. It seems that the biggest factors for the admissions are a students GPA and LSAT, with other lesser factors providing some adjustments at the margins (maybe some adjustment for work experience, perhaps if one graduates from a particular noted school, and so on....)

Having a single C is unlikely to cause any real problems. Once again the common wisdom seems to be that the concern is more about overall GPA then performance in specific courses. I suspect that this is because the type of coursework performed by those requesting admissions into law school varies much more then that of those perusing other professional programs such as medical school where everything will have taken some many course in Biology, Chemistry, (the dreaded Organic Chem course...).

Although I have to admit that I am not sure how well this plays outside the US, but I would not be surprised if the process is similar.

While nothing is set in stone, it seems likely that the results of law school predictor would be a reasonable estimation.

Do you have particularly good softs (Officer or NCO in the Corps, years of WE leading a team through scientific breakthroughs, initiated a plan to fix the millions of mortgages that have been issued to families that have no reasonable way of paying for them, resolving turned around the economy of a developing nation...) , if so it could tweak things in your favor some.

If you are known to be a public nuisance then your odds might tweak down somewhat. But do not get to carried away with the specific message (e.g. DENY, ADMIT...), take a look at the estimated percentage. A 75% chance is good odds, but there is still a reasonable change it might not work out, while a 20% is a long shot, but you only need to be accepted once, and your odds of being accepted are far greater if you apply then if you do not apply...

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Should I take LSAT again after scoring 167?
« on: January 14, 2011, 10:51:26 PM »
...Should I take it again and try to go for 170+ ...

What were you trying for the first time?

What is the trade off worth?

I suspect with your scores you could likely receive reasonable offers at many fine schools across the country, and be in a 1L class in the Fall. You can of course double down and study really hard trying to get a better score on the LSAT. Perhaps you will get a 170+, and change the list of schools that will send you invites for the '12 school year, or maybe a shot at larger merit scholarships at schools that would have gained admissions to anyway. On the other hand,  you may have a bad day at the testing center, your studies may simply not manage to get you over the hump and into the rarefied air of a 170+.

Do you have plans on what to do with a year of your life should you take the gamble and go for a higher score? Try to imagine yourself a decade from now, how do you think you would view this theoretical year if you got the score you would like. How do you think you would feel about the year if you did not get the score?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Diagnostic Test : redo it ??
« on: January 14, 2011, 10:35:33 PM »
I agree with TLSanders, if the goal is to get a reasonably accurate read on your strength and weakness then you should use a test that you have not seen.

Keep the test that you originally took nearby, you can use it later on when you are going over problem types and looking for tools to resolve given types of problems and the like.

Law School Admissions / Re: Late start on app, splitter (176/3.32), help!
« on: January 12, 2011, 10:36:09 PM »

My main bit of advice is to take a really deep breath, and exhale.

Now congrats on the great LSAT score. I am sure that it is going to go a long ways to helping you get several offers. By all means put together your application and send it off to see what should happen. As far as the personal statement, I would suggest sitting down as soon as you reasonably can, put together your first draft than put it away for a week or so without looking at it. Spend that time getting the rest of your ducks in a row. Then come back to the PS and see what you think of it now that you have had a bit of time away from it.

It may well be worth writing a addendum regarding the snafu that occurred with your grades, but I do not think that it is an end all be all type decision.

Although you did not ask for advise on this element, one thing that I think should be mentioned is that if at the end of the cycle, you find that you are not happy with your options, it would be a valid choice to sit out the year and submit for the next cycle. You will have all your ducks in a row for the top of the cycle, there will be no schools that would be removed from your list because of a line on a calendar. Of course, in the end the choice is up to you.

Good luck, I hope you have a great cycle.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Student v. School
« on: January 11, 2011, 08:19:40 PM »
Last time I checked the vast majority of incoming law students easily fall into the category of being legally adults, fully capable of entering into contracts. Most even spent a great deal of time informing their prospective law schools how cleaver and above average they are in countless ways. As such it seems disingenuous to come back and claim that you were an idiot and should not have been allowed to be taken advantage of by the big mean law school.

Try this course of action to get out of a contract for military service, where something more important then a school loan covering your European vacation is on the line. Honestly these arguments make me ill, sure life takes some unexpected turns, but people need to grow a spine and learn to find a way to resolve problems that do not involve looking for the boggy man who did nasty things to them.

Law School Admissions / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: November 11, 2010, 09:01:27 PM »

Congrats on the Georgetown admissions!

Not that I have any great insight, I myself would lean towards shirt and tie with dress pants. Either way, I hope that you have a great time in DC.

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