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Online Law Schools / Re: ABA has a monopoly on Law Schools.
« on: July 28, 2010, 09:36:51 AM »
True the reality is if you go to law school and don't pass the bar your J.D. is almost useless.  The ABA - regulates the bar and makes sure any ABA school they accredit is capable of having graduates pass the bar at a high rate.  It is not a perfect system, but it is better to have to go through some kind of regulations etc to become a certified to appear in court and be a "Real" lawyer.

People can make it from CBA schools or Massachussets School of Law. The ABA regulates the CBA schools by making students pass the Baby Bar after their first year as they should. No school should let someone blow through 100,000 and 3 years of their life if it is pretty obvious they can't pass the bar. The ABA prevents that from happening at an outrageous number although it does still occur.

I know we both share the same opinion on low ranked ABA schools, that they are still ABA schools and are of good quality. But it is very rare for the student to come through only a regionaly accredited law school to make a huge impact, and I do feel that it is because of a lesser quality education. If the school was a good school, it would be accredited. The ABA has minimum guidelines that are set forth that determine if the school will be accredited. If you can not make the cut, it is because you can not meet MINIMUM guidelines. It is set to protect students who should not be law students from being screwed by a school like the California School of Law that requires a transcipt (just to look official) and a down payment and your in! There are too many degree factories out there that are not ABA, and unfortunatly, there are not enough jobs for ABA schools, never mind regionally acredited.

I don't want to sound cold saying law isn't for everyone, but its not. Whether you go to Harvard or Cooley, you are recieving an education that the ABA deems as satisfactory to the future of the field, however, if you go to a regionally accredited school, you need to recieve a waiver to sit at the bar (and it is usually only a few state bars you can sit at). The ABA protects you from scams, and most nonABA schools are scams.

You CAN go there and do well for yourself, I am not delusional. There are intelligent people that go there, but very few lawyers go there. Don't equate being a lawyer with intelligence, its not always about that. If you have a job lined up that requires to practice only in one state and its perhaps your brother's firm, sure, it might be a good investment (even though most operate on a C scale in order to prevent going a year then transfering), but overall, they are just poor investments.

I would say (though you might not need to listen to me) that unless its an ABA school, it is not worth it.

Online Law Schools / Re: ABA has a monopoly on Law Schools.
« on: July 28, 2010, 04:35:43 AM »
Oh, and by the way the ABA was sued by a school (Massachusetts School of Law) and won. The fact is, especially with law, you do need a regulatory body. Medicine needs one to keep away hack doctors, and the law needs one to keep out hack lawyers.

Law is one of those things where almost everyone in undergrad thinks they can do well in and master (you need not look past BLaw 1 where students argue rediculous points with the teacher). The problem is, not everyone can. Nor SHOULD everyone practice law.

In order for lawyers to be beleived there needs to be some sort of prestige to the title, otherwise, everyone will just do it themselves. If everyone who wants to go to law school is allowed, it turns into a little more prestigous than a community college. Not saying anything against CCs, but law schools are at a different level. Can you imagine, Bunker Hill Community College School of Law?

The bar tests MINIMAL skills. Why allow this less fortunate students to pay 10K-15K a year for a hack law school like we see in California that have 10-15% bar passage rates. Even Massachusetts school of law is somewhere in the 30% range according to a former teacher of mine that went there. Is that justified?

These minimums are there for a reason, its not elitists trying to keep people out, rather than to only allow the serious canidates in.

Online Law Schools / Re: ABA has a monopoly on Law Schools.
« on: July 28, 2010, 04:27:35 AM »
When does it come out? I wonder which school will be Boardwalk, Harvard or Yale? ;D

Hi Everyone,

I am a newbie to this site and I need some advice.  I am looking to score in the 170's on my LSAT exam.  I scored a 129 on my diagnostic lsat exam and I need some advice on how to raise my score.  Currently, I am taking a prep course.  However, I would like to know if you can give me any advice on supplemental reads.

Thanks very much,

Strong Willed :)

Wow, I don't want to come off as one of those who says you can't do it, but I mean, 129 to 170 is pretty tough. It would be more reasonable to expect perhaps mid 140's? I don't want to say don't try, but to expect a 170 is just setting yourself up for failure.

Take some classes at Kaplan or something like that. I liked the way Kaplan worked for me. But even the best systems only state toping out at a 10 point increase. Honestly I would think long and hard if law school is right for you. I hate to be that "elitist" because I do feel that every law school is at least decent. But I mean, 129 is low.

What was your undergrad GPA, that would say a lot to what score you would need.

Just realize that even LSAT classes are very expensive, and may not be the best investment for you.

I am sorry if its not what you wanted to hear, or if it came off harsh, not intended. Just good luck if you decide to pursue it, and hopefully you are happy where you end up.

It seems there is a full fledged imitator. Someday you will have your own personality...

Agreed, the imitator is not even funny, which is the real crime.

If a sonofpickle is in fact real which is highly unlikely and for humanities sakes I hope he is not.  He would definitely not have had any type of sexual interaction either gay or straight... Clearly he is above meaningless sexual interaction and he could not be either gay or straight he has reached intellectual nirvana and can't be bothered with peasantries of sexuality. Maybe he will have to procreate and spread his genius at some point, but that will be the only sexual interaction he will ever have.

Oh my god, SOP is George Costanza!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: July 26, 2010, 09:36:10 AM »
I don't think that he's saying that he's living off of dividends. If it really is dividends that's he's living on, then yeah he's full of poo. For example, I have some shares of a decent stock, and I get dividend checks every couple of months for a little under $2. It would take a lot of stock to make a decent living that way. I'm assuming that what SOP is saying is that he tries to buy stocks low and sell them when they are higher, which can earn significantly more money.

SOP said that he made more in dividends alone than they make per year. I used federal minimum wage, most states are significantly higher. He may make more other than that, but in order to make that much in dividends, he would need a minimum of almost 300,000 in the stock market. This from a person who had already stated that he didn't have a job before.

Hmmm, I would say go with one that you like the best/best paying. I do not think that law school admissions would look higher on you based on the fact that you have expirience working for a lawyer. There are benefits for sure, such as seeing how a lawyer functions on a daily basis, and will give you a better idea if law is right for you. But, they know as well as we do that you do not do any real legal work, even though you work for a lawyer.

Any work expirience is good work expirience, so choose which one you want, don't base it off of law school.

Also, just curious, how did you estimate your LSAT? Practice tests or just guesses?

This formula is kind of cool, I don't know how accurate it is on the whole, but it was whithin 1 point of my LSAT, and it seems that it worked for a few of my friends too.

LSAT Score = (0.048)*(SAT Math+Verbal) + 100

Maybe if people reply to this we can see if it works, but it worked for me. So take it for what its worth. It has its downfall, such as you can not score 180 on it, but w/e, I wasn't that close to 180.

Your grandfather is a tripple eagle! But I doubt grandfather would sway the decision much, but you are in line with the numbers, I would not be surprised if you got into BC with those numbers alone.

Top 20 schools are certainly in reach with those numbers, though I think you might want to try and raise the LSAT a bit, but you should be fine either way.

Harvard and Yale would be real tough, but other top 10 schools would be in reach, and hell, if you raise your score 10 points (175-178), who knows, Harvard and Yale might not be out of the question.

Use the probability calculator on or Those are both helpful.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: July 26, 2010, 05:46:39 AM »
@bigs: I have never held a job, so what? I still have more money. Have you heard of commodity trading and investments? I make more money off of dividends than anyone working in retail and fast food restaurants, not to mention, I make more money off of stock trading.

sonofapickles' dad must be rich...

So lets break down how much sonofapickle invests....

Retail store mangers can make in excess of $110,000 at an average store, but because this person was being factious lets say the manager was at a high end store on 5th Avenue. That means the person is making about $200,000.

So lets say that this upperclassman from a regional undergrad (I have talked to a group of people are Massachusetts now, and none of heard of Carelton (it may be a great school, just saying it doesn't really impress anyone if your the 8th best liberal arts).

To to say that you make more in dividends than anybody in retail, lets see. The highest paying dividend I could find in 2010 was Best Buy at 1.28/stock. To make 200,000 in dividends you would need a minimum of 156,000 shares of BBY. So simply multiply 156,000 times the market value of about 35.00 per stock for a grand total of 5.46 million.

Are you telling me that you have 5.46 million in stock allocated? But lets just say you thought it would be 10,700 a year (minimum wage). That means that you would need at minimum 8,359 shares. That would equal out to a total of $292,000 dollars worth of stock.

But it would have to be more than that, because a financial wiz such as yourself would understand that dividends is a minor factor due to the realitivly low payout. Would it be safe to say that you would have upwards to 500,000 dollars put into the stock system? Or were you exaggerating?

Either your a silverspoon playing with daddy's money or your lying. More likely the latter. The facts are, the higher tier law schools do open more doors right out of law school. In the end, it comes down to who the person is. People like yourself, end up struggling if not out of Harvard or Yale since you have an idea that you are better than others. While out of the other two, it might play into the character that you would want to build, and who knows, may work a bit in some situations, but if you don't graduate one of those two, it will work against you and you will have a very hard time making it in anything you do.

To say that a job is "beneath you", shows a true lack of understanding of how things work. You will NOT graduate law school (even Harvard or Yale) and do the most prestigious work in the office, you will do the grunt work (70-80 hours+) for at least two or three years. Also, especially out of undergrad, you will not find the fun jobs for at least 10-15 years. I digress a bit, but the fact is, even "menial" jobs such as KFC/McDonalds, shows a lot to the character of the person. While sure, some are not hard workers that work there, and sure, some do it because they have no skills, the vast majority are high school kids working to help pay thier bills or help out the family. They build skills such as customer relations, time managment, and to those that get promoted to managers, they learn other pertinant skills. I am not saying that KFC is the best job ever, but to think anyone other than punks that never had jobs looks negitivly at that expirience is flat out wrong.

Not everybody's daddy can be rich, so some of us need to pay bills. For myself, I have been working since 14. Whether it be at Stop and Shop, Fuddruckers, or at a prestigous internship, I have worked for the money I have, not just given to me. That is why I laugh at people like you, because you really do not have any idea. When you are missing deadlines or yelling at the customer screaming at you on the phone, your 8th best in liberal arts is not going to mean all that much as you are getting fired.

Good luck, you'll need it.

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