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Current Law Students / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 11:06:41 AM »
Part of doing well in school is doing your homework. Part of doing your homework, is figuring out what the professor is likely to ask. The only way you can do that is seeing what professors have asked before. Your friend didn't do his/her homework as well as others. It sucks, but thats life.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 11:03:58 AM »
So they googled a test on the same subject and it just so happend to be used for the test.

I fail to see how they cheated? Did your friend not have internet? Why did so many people find this online, but he/she could not? They were usuing available information prior to the test to prepare themselves. They have done nothing wrong. And many professors use the same test (I have been told by numerous people, and is actually mentioned in the thread). Knowing this, wouldn't studying prior exams be a good habbit to get into?

The only thing I can say is learn from you're friend's mistake and take advantage of other tests.

I am not sure, but the three times is the killer.

Honestly how dumb can you be? I know your looking for advice, but really, three times? Thats just dumb and I hope you get clean, and I really wish you luck, but do you understand you could have killed somebody? Do you even care? I would say no matter how you respond, you don't, because you have done it AT LEAST two more times (probably alot more). This is just a huge problem with me. So after the rant, I will answer your question.

There is character that comes into play, and frankly three DUIs is probably going to be a major problem getting admitted into the bar, and most schools will look at that as a huge negative when deciding admissions. You could argue that one DUI is a mistake, but three, thats just bad character and horrifically selfish.

I would say you will have a very very difficult time getting into law school, but with very good numbers, you may be able to find some schools to take you. Though I would check with the bar assosisation to see if you would qualify to be admitted before you spend the money on law school.

And the MIP, not that it would usually be a problem, but I am sensing a pattern here.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 10:39:51 AM »
Like I stated in my earlier post, this happened to a friend.  Not sure why people can't read properly

Thats the thing, the way you are complaining about it and are passionate about it, makes it seem like we are reading between the lines just right. ;)

But you are right, I have not yet started law school, I start next week. I have went through forced curves in undergrad during a couple of classes. I have a clue, though I am not pretending to know what it is exactly like.

I also do not see how it is cheating? Did the students print out the suggested answer? Or did they know in advance those were the quetsions? Or did they manage to just stumble upon them luckily? If they happend to study a random question and that got chosen, then I just say, good for them, they got extremely lucky. If they had prior knowledge that the question was going to be asked, then yes, that would be cheating, but you didn't say they knew the question was going to be asked.

If so many people studied the practice exam with the answer, why didn't your friend? Alot of times when the teachers give practice exams out, it isn't to throw you a curve ball, its to say, HERE IS WHAT TO STUDY. If your friend didn't take advantage of that tool, then shame on him/her.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 09:13:49 AM »
Suggested answers were online I assume you mean, especially if it was essay form. Also, that still means the answers were available for everyone to read as well. Again, I don't see the problem.

It was great luck that those students studied those exact questions so well, and for that htey should be commended.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 06:44:08 AM »
I would say nothing wrong happend. If that is the way the teacher wanted to be, so be it. You (or your friend) had every opportunity to study from that test as many of the others students obviously did. It sucks, but do your dilligence in studying and you wouldn't have the problem.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Reason for going to law school
« on: August 23, 2010, 06:26:54 PM »
Honestly, I didn't read the examples for personal statements, though I know at the bottom they put the pro's and con's of each. Look, as I said, it could be perfectly acceptable, but she did ask what we thought, and it is something I would avoid, because it could come off as pompus to some, it is all about perception, and if it comes off wrong to just one person, it could hurt your chances of admission. Though the biggest thing is still LSAT/GPA

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Reason for going to law school
« on: August 23, 2010, 01:56:34 PM »
If my post came off as harsh, it wasn't supposed to. As an amature in this myself, I would just advise against it. Who knows, that could get you in, I am just saying beware, you never know what the mindset of the reader will be. Perhaps I am just a drinker of the admissions office kool-aid that the personal statement matters, but remeber, its a reflection on you, your future, and your ambition, so making sure the right tone is coming through is vitally important.

Like I said, I do sincerely hope that it works out for you, what I say is supposed to be helpful, not trying to crush hopes or anything. What schools you looking at?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Reason for going to law school
« on: August 23, 2010, 12:44:20 PM »
There are plenty good reasons not to.

1) You never know how it is going to be taken by the admissions office. Sure, you could think it sounds like you are ambitious and want to help, but it comes off more as pompus and that you want to have control over others. It is a very unrealistic view of how it works, especially in the public interest sector. Sure, eventually you may be able to be in a position where you are calling the shots and shaping policy, but right out of school you are likely going to be working discovery and going through documents, not actually stepping foot in a courtroom or boardroom directly affecting policy.

2) If that is the only reason you want to be a lawyer, you will find it tough. Sure, it may sound sexy to change the world, but the facts are, its the small battles that do it, not the big media circus ones. It takes a lot to fight day to day, and the fact that the reason you want to do it is power, doesn't come off that you have done your research.

3) A lot of people change what they want to do in law school, so it is not always the best thing to say "this is exactly why I want to come" unless it plays into a stregnth of the school itself, where you can show actualy statistical research about the school you want to attend.

For a little more hints I found this for you, but again, if you haven't sent out that statement yet, I wouldn't. It might be very well written, but remember, you do not know who is going to read it, and think of the different ways it can be percieved. Saying "I want power" can be viewed as a HUGE negitive. When schools accept 20-40% of all applicants, you don't want to give yourself any room to screw it up.

Good luck on it though! I am not an expert in this, so I could be wrong, but its just my two cents.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 23, 2010, 07:29:28 AM »
Im just not a fan of giving pickle a forum to praise himself haha. Does anyone else have a feeling that sonofapickle is actually Lebron James? I mean, how can anyone else have that big of an ego?

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