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Non-Traditional Students / Re: I have a documented Learning disablity
« on: April 07, 2012, 01:15:24 AM »
Hello everyone,

I have a well documented learning disability that severely impairs my performance on Standardized tests. Would this help my case at schools such at Harvard, Yale and Stanford? I did receive some accommodations when I took LSAT. I did not do that well, but this is expected I guess...I know that law schools do not report LSAT scores that have been accommodated so I wonder would this, along with my learning disability help my chances at getting into Harvard, Yale, and Stanford as a non-traditional student. Also I am a URM.

Severely impairs your performance on standardized tests? I honestly don't mean to be crass here, but how do you expect to pass the bar, the mother of all standardized tests? Even assuming you can get over that hurdle, if Yale were to let you in as a charity case, would you really feel comfortable and welcome there? I don't mean to discourage you, but there's no shame in setting a more realistic bar for yourself. Many law schools with less prestige than HYS are just fine and produce excellent attorneys.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Working on Saturday Is a Suck.
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:46:27 PM »
Here's a terrible poem about it:

Working on Saturday
By Jihad Jesus

Woe is me
this Saturday morn
i would much rather
be eating corn
istead I labour
like Tony Blair's old party.

Oh to be Tony Blair
and to be called Anthony informally
i doubt he ever gets that
Mr. Blair is probably as informal
as it it ever gets for him
luckily our Saturday dress is
informal too
so i've got on jeans
and topsiders with socks.

I admire your courage for putting that out there, Jesus. That says something about your character. Well done. You have fortitude that the vast majority will never find. That said, you're right: this isn't particularly great poetry. Great poetry: 1) intimates as much or more than it speaks; 2) employs meter, alliteration, assonance, rhyme, double entendre, and other linguistic constructs. I do like the phrase,  "Anthony informally." That's perfect. The whole poem should read like that: two words that not only flow in poetic sympathy, but have a greater range of interpretation than the mere obvious. Definitely your best line. Shoot for more lines like that.

To show that I'm not just a critic, but a tortured, reclusive poet-songwriter-artist scratching away my soul by candlelight in the middle of the night myself, this reminds me of a brief piece I wrote some years ago:

It was the longest night of my life ó
Making love in moonlit clover.
Front to front
I touched her cóDamn!
Over.

It bears mentioning that poetic license is a myth. Readers see through it. I've read enough attempts at poetry where some law student was obviously sitting up late, pencil in tooth, beer in hand, furiously writing on some storm of inspiration. But the would-be poet never seems to bother rewriting, editing, and working with the language until the poem has actually been crafted to avoid glaring mistakes like forced rhymes. (You know: adding five extra syllables to the line just because the last word rhymes.) It cheapens the poetry.

Regardless, I love reading anybody's attempt to say something in an eloquent and creative way, so please don't take this as a negative critique. I've posted my own modest original songs - and I don't deny that they're modest - on a recordists' website now and then. The very first response I got to one of my tunes was some smart-ass who said that if he were forced to choose between listening to my material or being locked up in a jail cell with Bubba, he'd say, "Pass the K-Y jelly." LOL. Jerk.

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I've been out of the Marines for several years now, but last November, a few of my classmates and I participated as volunteer panelists in a JAG mock trial staged by the Army. It was a fantastic experience. The prosecutor was a brand new attorney, a butterbar lieutenant, and boy, was he nervous in the service. He was being trained by a very amusing female captain, a JAG of impressive composure, inner strength, and outer humor, who sat behind the prosecutor's table and continually kicked the lieutenant's chair with her boot, whispering, "Object! Object!" (They were in fatigues for the exercise.) She seemed very young to me, but she had a level of self-confidence and determination that would be the envy of all my female classmates, and would probably intimidate most of the males. But actually, everybody in the JAG corps blew my mind. I was very proud to have had the privilege to participate in their training exercise.

I don't know what it takes to become a JAG, but they were actively inviting us to inquire further. Talk to a recruiter, and don't limit yourself to just the Air Force or the Coast Guard. Talk to all of the branches. If you can get in with the Army or the Marines, you'll be doing the same thing. Very best of luck to you.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Part-time programs/ commuters
« on: March 16, 2012, 02:17:48 AM »
Hi Nicole. My morning commute is an hour to get to work. Three nights a week I head downtown after work to law school. Then I drive a little over an hour to get home. I leave at 7 a.m. and I don't get home until 10 p.m. on school nights. As a law student, I have only two lives: I am either at work or I'm studying law, whether in class or out. I'm winding up my second year of this and while I love law school, it's hard on my wife, although she's supportive. You are going to have to REALLY want to become an attorney to get through it. Part-time law schools usually take four years, and it's a huge grind if you have to work at the same time. If I lived two hours away from school, but I didn't have to work, then I wouldn't bother getting a room. I'd just drive home. Commuting is a great opportunity to listen to law CDs. After you listen to them over and over, some of it actually sticks.

Good luck!

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That article certainly makes a case for not going to law school until a person has spent some time in a given industry and can state with specificity why he or she wants to attend law school, what law school can do for that person, and what that person can do for the legal profession. Too many people attend law school with no greater sense of purpose than "I want to be a lawyer," having no clear idea of what that really entails or why they think they want it.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Best Law-Related Movies
« on: February 20, 2012, 01:33:23 AM »
Dirty Harry is the best law movie of all time. Bar none.

Inherit The Wind was also pretty cool, dramatizing the 1925 Scopes monkey trial (so-called), in which a teacher in Tennessee was convicted of teaching evolution in a high school science class. I don't think it's entirely true to history, but it's a pretty good flick for 50 years ago.

I liked the Paper Chase TV series, but I've never managed to stay awake through the movie.

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Carry on, bud. My crim pro final is looming and I've got work to do. Best of luck with your studies.  :)

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What is a blue collar attorney exactly? I work in shorts and a t-shirt most of the time.

You won't appear in court like that. And I doubt you'll be allowed to dress like that during business hours working even for a small law firm. But if you're going to hang your own shingle outside your door, dress the way you want. If you feel you will be taken just as seriously by your clients, your employer, your opponents at law, and society at large, do it. It's your career.

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8. Most CBA schools with which I am familiar take four years to complete. ABA schools usually take three, unless they're part time.

true, the extra year is likely an edge in passing the bar.

This is not borne out by the pass-fail statistics, Jon. Part-time law students fail the bar in substantially greater numbers than full-time ABA students. There is doubtless much to be said about the focus that full-time students give to their bar preparation versus part-timers, who are holding down full-time jobs and fitting study in where they can. What gets overlooked by strictly-ABA advocates, however, is the extraordinary drive, energy, and exceptional ability that it requires of a person to attend an evening law school and then to pass the bar while holding down a career position. Show me somebody who can do that and I'll show you somebody who could waltz through an ABA program one-handed. Yet one cannot say, "Show me any ABA student and I'll show you somebody who could hold down a career position AND make it through evening law school." The proof here is only in the doing.

That said, it's gratifying to note that several of my company attorneys have observed that they Do recognize and appreciate this. But the fact remains, state-accredited schools are working class schools. You can have a rewarding, satisfying legal career, and you may be just as skillful in your practice as any Harvard graduate, but you'll always be a blue collar attorney.

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This isn't really a DL post I'm about to write, but it may add some food for thought. I'm a 2L at a California-accredited law school. There are advantages and disadvantages of a CBA school to any ABA school in CA.

ADVANTAGES of CBA
1. The tuition is about one-third the cost of the cheapest ABA school in California, which means you don't graduate owing the equivalent of a 30-year mortgage to a lender. I won't owe anybody one thin dime when I graduate.
2. If you maintain at least a C in all core 1L classes, you don't have to take the baby bar.
3. CBA schools allow you to hold down your current career while attending law school at night.
4. The quality of the classroom sessions and the coursework equate to what you'd get at an ABA school. My property professor got his J.D. from USC, and that's what he said, anyway. (I would know if I were being dealt a bill of goods on this point. The quality of the education is excellent, in my opinion.)
5. CBA schools are sometimes found in locales where the closest ABA school may be 200 miles away or more, depending on the circumstances.
6. Even if you barely speak English, they'll probably give you a chance to take a stab at 1L. So if you were an average student in college or got an average score on the LSAT, you have a good chance of getting accepted. And if in fact you can't handle it, see No. 1.
7. CBA graduates who pass the bar are found practicing law and sitting as judges all over California.
8. If you're already experienced, connected and successful in a field that you do not intend to leave, and a law license could enhance your existing career, then a CBA degree will take you to the next level. After all, you're successful already, yes? The goal here is singular: get the license. The prestige of the J.D. here is of little worth. Just get the license. Mission accomplished. The world is your oyster. As long as you're somewhere in California.

DISADVANTAGES
1. Oh Lord, you're stuck in Lodi. Forever. There are some exceptions, e.g., in-house counsel seem to have some freedom to move around the country after a few years of practice, but for the most part, if you don't intend to stay in CA, a CBA school is a total waste of money.
2. Forget Biglaw. Period.
3. As a direct result of Advantage No. 6 above, a percentage of people in 1L courses probably shouldn't be there. We lost more than a third of our class going into 2L, although in fairness, there were many reasons why people didn't return besides just grades.
4. A number of ABA students who have never done a tour of duty in the military, nor gone anywhere or done anything in life except attend school, are convinced that they are inherently superior to everything that walks and talks. Especially to the lowly CBA graduate. This character trait attaches to the personality profile and unships with great reluctance. Deal with it. This cannot be changed.
5. You'll have fewer career options.
6. You will have less prestige among other attorneys. You are not at all among the elite. This is the social and professional "relation back doctrine." See Disadvantage No. 4.
7. Unless you have the experience mentioned in Advantage No. 8, you're very likely to end up in criminal law if you make it all the way. I don't know the stats, and this isn't absolute. But I would risk five bucks I'm right.
8. Most CBA schools with which I am familiar take four years to complete. ABA schools usually take three, unless they're part time.
9. Statistically, your odds of passing the bar on the first try are only 50-50. This bears some discussion. I do not believe that this has anything to do with getting a J.D. from a CBA school. It goes to the average academic abilities of CBA students taken as a whole. The A/B students who make it through a CBA education are highly intelligent, highly motivated, and would do just fine in an ABA school. And they tend to pass the bar on the first try. However, the other half of the CBA bar candidates who graduated with a C average have much greater difficulty passing the CA bar exam, which is well established as being one of the hardest bar exams in the country.

The practical upshot is, there are advantages and disadvantages to attending a CBA school. The same can be said for ABA schools, as shown by all the scambloggers across the internet screaming bloody murder about the size of their debt and the lack of jobs to be had. Whichever course you take, you need to weigh the decision carefully and pragmatically, taking into account the totality of your circumstances. (I just had to say that. I have my crim pro final in two weeks. This thread is a #$%&! distraction.)

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