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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How important is your law school
« on: April 24, 2004, 08:33:59 PM »
I disagree about the investment part. If someone in India is working for a large employment law firm representing american employers, I think that person would have something invested in preserving and/or bettering the american legal system: a job.

I think that part of the discrepancies in our arguments stem from the fact that we are generalizing the term "legal jobs". Some, I agree, are completely safe from outsourcing, some aren't, and some are part of large multinational corporations and firms that blur the boundaries. It's the latter that is the loophole. When you have a firm that has offices in NYC, Hong Kong and Sydney, the attorneys employed with that firm can and often do represent clients, directly or indirectly, in multiple countries. Same thing with the big publishing houses such as West and Lexis. What's to stop them from having attorneys editing the code of small-town USA in Brazil? Does that mean that the people of small-town USA want their code produced there? Do they even know?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How important is your law school
« on: April 24, 2004, 08:20:56 PM »
I am way not smart enough to explain this, but I also think it has something to do with our system of laws and our legal system.  Kind of hard to outsource legal jobs.

Trust me, it's easier than you think. I've had some first-hand experience with it.

However, public interest is generally where I think the line is and will be drawn. Public defenders and the like won't be outsourced. Big firm work, however, is another story.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Planet Law School II (PLS)
« on: April 24, 2004, 08:14:11 PM »
PLS is one extreme of the law school book "spectrum". There's also the other extreme--skinny little books that give you essentially no information that is of any use whatsoever and lull you into a false sense of security. PLS freaked me out when I first started reading it because I thought there was no way I'd be able to succeed in law school if it's really this bad.  But I don't think it will be. The most valuable part was the timetables of things to read/study to prepare for law school. I'm not going to be able to do all of the stuff, but I'm doing some of it so that I can have a head start. Couldn't hurt, anyway.

I agree.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How important is your law school
« on: April 24, 2004, 08:12:43 PM »
I'd probably draw the line at the fact that you actually live here in the US.  If something goes wrong, accountability at the very least seems more available with an attorney in the States than someone overseas. =P

Exactly. Maybe it won't be a factor, since many people don't have a choice about who represents them.

And I was not trying to attack anyone of any background. Americans have a hard enough time trusting their own when it comes to the legal system, and so I do think that this would be a concern for many who are in court. I'm NOT saying, however, that American law cannot be practiced equally as well by an American as a non-American. And I am definitely NOT saying that minorities are not great lawyers. If I had to chose an attorney, I would look at a person's resume, not his or her race.

Plus, I have definitely met many people who would rather be represented by a talking ape rather than a competent foreign attorney. It sucks, but it is a possible factor.

Do you think we will ever outsource judges or juries? That makes this hypothetical even more interesting ...  ;) I think many people see their choice of attorney like the choice in jury members -- they want someone who is a peer (i.e. -- has a shared experience or the ability to have a shared experience).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Stop being politically correct
« on: April 24, 2004, 07:35:00 PM »
I suspect if I come up against an Ivy Leaguer in court, they will have more to prove than I will.  Hell, no one will expect much from a non-ABA dude.  But the Ivy Leaguer better shine bright every time.   ::)

nice point, mr. jeffjoe!

so, i have a different concern. i loved my undergrad degree, and am very close to a few of my professors. it was funny when i applied to law school because they actually seemed disappointed that i wasn't pursuing a ph.d. in a field related to my B.A. ... and i started to feel like i was giving up. so, personally, i'm glad that i have this big fat rankings chip on my shoulder now. i don't feel like i'm giving up ... i feel like i'm fighting to prove something ... ;)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Stop being politically correct
« on: April 24, 2004, 07:16:54 PM »
it's crazy that any education costs $150K. it's crazy anyone would put themselves through the tortures of law school and pay $150K to do it.

when that school is named harvard, yale, standford is when it becomes moderately acceptable.

but you are what you make of your education. that's not PC, that's optimism. why go if you will always see yourself as something below harvard, yale, etc? be like sam on "the apprentice," and give that thousand-dollar lemonade a chance ...  ;)

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Planet Law School II (PLS)
« on: April 24, 2004, 06:59:38 PM »
Ah, well. Hopefully that won't be our experience in law school.  8)

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Planet Law School II (PLS)
« on: April 24, 2004, 06:45:02 PM »
I can see PLSII as negative and, although I enjoyed Law School Confidential, I think much of it was common sense (such as have a good bed and a big desk). However, I really like the sound of the highlighting suggestion in LSC, although I suppose I won't be able to judge its practicality until classes begin.

PLSII should be read cautiously and, hopefully, law school will feel much friendlier than it is portrayed to be in the book. I am only about 50 pages into it, so who knows what will happen. It's not exactly a page-turner, but it's feeding my need for info during the "down" times for this discussion board ...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How important is your law school
« on: April 24, 2004, 06:39:07 PM »
Almost all legal work can be outsourced, and don't think that there isn't someone in each of the big law firms or large publishing houses examining the risk/benefit ratio of outsourcing associates and analysts right now. Big business does not discriminate between time-zones when it means more profit.

That said, I think that there is a check on this system. Most Americans would not want to be represented (or, especially, prosecuted) by a non-American in court, and most would not want non-Americans directly involved with the creation of the laws that dictate how an American can lead his/her life.

Plus, at least for the near future, there is a double standard about outsourcing. To keep prices low on goods, it's generally acceptable to outsource blue-collar jobs. However, politicians want to keep white-collar votes, since they can make or break an election, so it is not politically viable to encourage outsourcing of white-collar workers ... that theory, at least, prevents mass-outsourcing of attorneys (for now).

Incoming 1Ls / Planet Law School II (PLS)
« on: April 24, 2004, 12:47:34 PM »
For those of you who are interested in purchasing Planet Law School II, you can find it on for $14.95 ... which is way cheaper than what I paid with my member card at B&N.

Here's the site:

Also, I just started reading it, and would like to discuss it with others as they read if anyone is interested.

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