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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: July 18, 2011, 09:27:10 PM »
Listen to Falcon!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: July 18, 2011, 07:52:09 PM »
Listen to Falcon, he speaks the truth.  DO NOT go to Cooley just b/c you are in a hurry - do not even be tempted by the Oakland campus.  Kick butt, finish undergrad and go to U of M law (or some other T1).  With a T1, the debt is worth it compared to a T4 with no debt.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Is Cooley Law School That Bad?
« on: July 18, 2011, 07:47:33 PM »
Who created this fiction that if someone goes to a Tier II instead of a Tier III or IV that the quality of instruction and experience is going to be magically better? 

1. It is not a fiction.
2. It is a reality that was created by the thousands of law firms out there that make hiring decisions.

You may not like taxes, but they are a reality that you cannot ignore - same with the rankings.

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Given your personal situation I think law school could be financially devastating and take you to the breaking point personally.  I am all for cheerleading and recognizing that the odds can be beat, but this is no Lifetime television drama.  Law school takes (1) a LOT of money, (2) a tremendous amount of time, and (3) intense focus.  As a single parent, law school will be very difficult and take 3 to 4 years away from you being available to raise and nurture your child - you will be a less-than part-time parent.  My wife raised our 3 kids when I was in school, so I missed a LOT - I can see the affect of that gap in my presence and nuturing.  I would NOT do it again if I could do it over.

Dedicate your time, money, and efforts into something better for your situation.  Law school is no magic bullet.

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Transferring / Re: Transfer from low T4 w/scholarship to T2 w/o?
« on: July 15, 2011, 03:04:12 PM »
FJ- good points.  I would caution about anyone going to law school with the primary goal of becoming a law school professor.  Generally there is ONE reason to go to law school - to become a practicing attorney.

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Transferring / Re: Transfer from low T4 w/scholarship to T2 w/o?
« on: July 15, 2011, 10:22:33 AM »
I think it depends on WHERE you want to teach.  My T4 had a Harvard grad all the way down to T4 grads.  I think the key is to get some good relevent experience under your belt. 

I'd say go to the T2, for many reasons.

I will advise you not to hold any illusions about teaching, though.  For one thing, unless you're a diversity pick, if you aren't going to Harvard or Yale, your odds of getting a teaching post are pretty poor.  Really. 

Really.

Other than that, the T2 makes a lot of sense.

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Transferring / Re: Transfer from low T4 w/scholarship to T2 w/o?
« on: July 14, 2011, 08:46:58 AM »
Sounds like a no-brainer.  In the grand scheme of things, the cost increase is minimal considering 2 key facts: (1) your chances of landing a job out of the T2 are infinitely greater than out of a T4, and (2) it is in the market where you want to work.  Sounds like you are already neck deep debt-wise (not unusual considering the ridiculous cost of law school), bringing the debt over your chin a little will be more than offset by the increase in employment potential.

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Law schools are puting out deceptive numbers if they ignore non-responses.  Who do you think is not responding?  Also, people like me skew the numbers - I responded, had my pre-law career, and making decent money.  So my numbers show up as not only employed immediately out of law school, but at a high salary.  My questionaire did not parse whether it was law-related or not.

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"puffery?"  Thats where a claim is impossible to substantiate or no reasonable person would believe the claim - "world's greatest law school" comes to mind as an example.  Employment stats are significantly different.  In recent years many have come to realize that the law school employment numbers are "innacurate" at best, and fraudulent according to many; however, tough to argue that no reasonable person would/should believe the so-called STATISTICS published by a school.  Would you spend $150K on a law degree from a school if it advertised an employment rate of 30% with an average salary of $60K?  That's a lot different than 95% and average salary of $90K.

WRT the $50M claim - you know better than to say she is being "delusional."  You aim high and negotiate/settle for something less. 

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I hear what you guys are saying, but on the flip side I think folks are awfully quick to dismiss someone speaking out about having difficulty finding a job as being lazy, feeling entitled, or simply not trying hard enough.

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