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The big question is whether "I was just following ABA standards" is a good enough defense.

From the article: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110811/NEWS06/108110316/4-grads-sue-Cooley-for-250M-saying-job-finding-salary-numbers-inflated?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

"If the plaintiffs were to prevail, it would "set a very disturbing precedent from the perspective of all ABA-accredited schools," said Paul Campos, a professor at the University of Colorado Law School. "That's probably the most important defense that law schools have at present, the claim that they're just following the regulatory requirements placed upon them by their accrediting body," he said.

Campos is a critic of the way schools report employment information. The current ABA standards are "very defective," he said.

Still, he said, "if a law school were found to have followed the regulatory rules, but those rules were found so defective that the entire industry is potentially liable for some kind of fraud or negligent misrepresentation or deceptive business practice, that would be a big problem."

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So what are the "openly provable" lies?  One person reported that he heard Cooley was under Fed investigation - maybe he did hear that, maybe not, so that is a legitimate question.  But what about the person who repeats that he read elsewhere that Cooley was being investigated?  Is it his job to investigate before publishing because that certainly is NOT the standard that the print/televised media is held to.  How many wild "facts" are reported about Sarah Palin or President Obama that are known/shown to be pure BS?

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It's not a matter of suing because of "lies," it's a matter of them squelching personal opinions and free speech (yea, there is grey area as to what is knowing misrepresentation of the truth, what is reporting what was published elsewhere, and what is personal opinion).  In large part these people have only repeated what hundreds of others have said or published about Cooley - this is not about protecting a reputation - believe me, Cooley KNOWS what it's reputation is and how it is viewed in the legal community.  This looks like a SLAPP suit to try and shut people up.  As I understand, they never reached out to the bloggers/commenters and asked them to take down the posts that they felt were lies, they just went and sued.  I've posted this elsewhere - by filing this suit they are experiencing the Striesand Effect and have even MORE people having unflattering discussions about them.

So if people spread lies and you sue, it makes you the F'd up guy? ???

Dang, I hope I don't get raped, I might go to prison with people like you in the voting population. :-X

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: August 11, 2011, 09:17:38 AM »
Duncan - no disagreement on your points.  What you are stating then (if I may) is that law is really just another specialized profession requiring additional education and certification (i.e. pass the bar).  I agree.  If law is not an elite highly-selective profession with a very high bar for admission, schools should stop charging tuition as if it is.  I'm no elitist, I am a t3/4 grad who "survived" financially, personally, and professionally.

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General Board / Re: CC Debt/Student Loan Consolidation [C&F]
« on: August 10, 2011, 06:07:09 PM »
This is a non issue.  Don't go around discussing this ($700 in CC debt is not that much in the grand scheme of things), but it is a non-issue.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: August 10, 2011, 05:04:50 PM »
And what do you suppose the employment status of those unknown/non-replys is?  I would bet it is overwhelmingly "unemployed" or "underemployed." 

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: August 10, 2011, 02:41:52 PM »
Quoted from Wikipedia:  "The Streisand effect is a primarily online phenomenon in which an attempt to hide or remove a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely. It is named after American entertainer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt in 2003 to suppress photographs of her residence inadvertently generated further publicity.
Similar attempts have been made, for example, in cease-and-desist letters, to suppress numbers, files and websites. Instead of being suppressed, the information receives extensive publicity, often being widely mirrored across the Internet or distributed on file-sharing networks."

Here, Cooley sued a blogger and commenters to protect their reputation.  As a result, news of the suit and the claims being made about Cooley have just garnered MORE attention. http://www.cooley.edu/newsevents/2011/071411_Cooley_Protects_Alumni_Students_and_Reputation.html
Many more people are "discussing" them online and pointing out that they did not retain any Cooley grads to defend themselves.

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General Board / Re: Honor code violation - totally screwed?
« on: August 10, 2011, 02:34:49 PM »
This should not be you alone against the school.  Talk to your faculty advisor, get some counsel from an advocate within the school.  Where your advisor will not condone plagarism, it is not his job to punish you for it.  You need what you are going to school to become - an advocate... counsel.  Your best bet may be retaining an attorney to help you through the process.

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General Board / Re: Honor code violation - totally screwed?
« on: August 10, 2011, 02:00:01 PM »
Sounds like you have not completed the disciplinary process yet - you will have a chance to plead your case.  First thing you need to do is fully educate yourself on the process and your rights.  Talk to your faculty advisor and get some guidance from him/her.  Do not start assuming things that will happen, a semester suspension seems extreme.  You may fail the assignment, and perhaps the class, then get put on double-secret probation or whatnot.  Don't start negotiating against yourself. 

There are 2 things you can do right now.  First, talk to the state Bar, explain the situation and ask them if this will preclude admission.  Second, there are law firms that specialize in dealing with bar admission/C&F problems, talk to one of them.  Perhaps run these by your advisor.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: August 10, 2011, 12:42:27 PM »
yep: http://www.cooley.edu/newsevents/2011/080811_cooley_opens_tampa_campus.html

And with their lawsuit against bloggers and anonymous commenters they are learning about the "Striesand Effect."

Cooley is opening another campus in FL.  Are you serious?  I didn't know that.  It is already, by far, the largest law school in the US.  How many new law schools does that make for FL in the past 5 years, 5?  Too fast, way too fast.


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