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I think people are happy to answer that question and provide good advice; however, your initial post simply asked whether at 62 you should go to law school.  The nature of these boards being what they are, asking a question like that will get the breadth of responses you saw.  I do not think the intent of anyone was to be rude or disrespectful.

I think restating the questions or being more specific will get you some very good information.  I think people here genuinely want to provide meaningful dialogue and feedback.  Your situation is certainly unique.

Specific to obtaining a degree and license your age may cause you difficulty in 2 areas, and I am not trying to be cute here: (1) LSAC will need your undergraduate transcripts and GPA, asuming that was 40 some years ago, that could be a problem?and (2) the bar application typically requires a complete and accurate accounting of addresses and employers - for me that was tough going back 25 years, I cant imagine going back 40 some years.

Actually, it seems I "stumbled" onto the wrong forum.  It was not my intention to spend most of my day bantering with someone  over what he said, she said. What I wrote is what I meant. I did not ask my question to have my motives judged or my finances questioned. I was hoping to hear from an older either current student or degreed person who might share any experiences from step A to Z in obtaining a law degree. But instead my future in law was the afternoon's topic of  much speculation.

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I did not get the sense that he was being codescending, just frank.

Fortunately, I suspect that most law professors will not choose her age as a reason to address in a condescending tone has you have opted to do.

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Current Law Students / Re: These discussions are killing me....
« on: September 15, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »
I think this is an unfair characterization by you toward anyone speaking about the downside and pitfalls of law school.  I am sucessful in my non-law career and quite happy.  I blame nobody for anything, nor do I feel entitled to a job.  And I think those feelings are applicable to most others.  We are merely pointing out realistic pitfalls that we have encountered.  When we say the job market is brutal we are simply pointing out a fact, not blaming anyone for lack of legal employment.

Also ask yourself what kind of person goes on a website and blames all their failures on someone else. Generally the person in a lot these negative comments about schools blames everyone, but themselves.

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First - I disagree with the "little time left" notion.  Speaking as a lawyer, I do not see the practice of law making the world a better place generally speaking.  There are so many people and organizations out there who need the help of intelligent caring people willing to share their experience.  Find your interest and passion and find a school or organization, contact them, and ask how you can help.

I think john articulated the pitfalls well.  Law school is an expensive, time consuming, and greuling process.  Then there is the cost and time to pass the bar.  Finally, in an already difficult job market (that wont be improving) the realistic prospects of a fresh new 66 year old lawyer landing a job are extremely slim.  Heck, I ran into that wall in my 40s and I brought a ton of practical experience and business contacts.

I'm sorry, that is the reality and I would hate to see some law school screw you out of $100,000 with a bunch of false promises and a smile on their face.
John 4040 and Hamilton

How do you see me "actually benefiting society" in a personally fulfilling way in the little time I have left?

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Law School Admissions / Re: General discharge from Army (misconduct)
« on: September 14, 2010, 09:00:22 PM »
While I agree with this assessment that it is NBFD, there are very explicit questions on the bar app and maybe LS app that will require explanation.  Who knows how the sanctimonious hypocrites at the LS or bar will view the explanation.

I have a difficult time getting excited about your shameful past.  Everyone else on these boards seems to be a convicted felon with three DUIs and a history of plagiarism.

Seriously - as these things go, this is no big deal.  Sure, some stiff-backed vets might give you crap, but most people in hiring positions just won't care.  Your first addendum comes across as defensive, and still gives the impression that you are hiding something bad.  I would go with this one:

"Resigned from the service and departed 'under honorable conditions'" and leave it at that.

Then you can tell the Korean hostess story over drinks, where it will score you points instead of costing them.

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I think john4040 nailed it.  You could use your time, energy, and money in a way that (1) actually benefits society, and (2) is fulfilling for you.

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Current Law Students / Re: These discussions are killing me....
« on: September 14, 2010, 08:43:38 PM »
From my perspective, the lack of enthusiasm is the bad job market, ever increasing supply of JDs, dishonest emplyment stats from the law schools, and tuition that can cause financial ruin for many people.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Best Law school or best school for you
« on: September 14, 2010, 10:50:06 AM »
I'm not sure that is true regionally.  Folks still look at how LS stack against one another in a region, so by proxy those rankings matter.  I am in MI where there is clearly a pecking order observed when looking at the schools: obviously U of M stands alone at the top, next you have MSU, U of Detroit, and Wayne State running as a pack and generally seen as equivalent by firms, then you have Cooley which clearly stands alone as the bottom of the pecking order.  Fewer law schools in a state or region - matters less, but there is still a pecking order based on the tiers and rankings.  So to one extent, whether Wayne State ranks higher or lower than Michigan State matters less; however, comparing Wayne State to Cooley definitely matters.

BTW... what the heck is MI doing with 5 (8 counting Cooley's other campuses) law schools?  Declining population and one of nations top unemployment rates... madness

... but as I said a million times once you go outside of the top 25 and maybe top 50 schools the U.S. News Ranking means basically nothing. That is based on my limited experience up this point though.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Help! What bar exam self-study to use?
« on: September 14, 2010, 08:23:34 AM »
I used Micromash and it worked well -- passed first time.  Has on-line or non-online option, track progress, real-time tests, identifies areas of law you are lacking, and good study manuals, plus.  It is about $1,600.

http://micromashbar.com/

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: January start
« on: September 14, 2010, 08:13:32 AM »
start date is no basis to use when choosing a law school.

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