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One can argue the merits of one school over the other - other threads have more detail on that.  Quality of school/education/faculty/etc. aside, I do not think there are many firms in MI that would refuse to grant an interview to a top performer from either school (there are some).  The reality is that there are many MI firms that flat-out will not look at someone from Cooley, I do not think WSU or MSU grads in the top 25% or so face that same barrier, so then it is up to the individual.

Given that, 75% ride is a pretty good deal.

Current Law Students / Re: LOR for Bar
« on: March 15, 2011, 07:32:50 AM »
This was my experience as well: the State Bar Application had a form that you provided to people giving you a recommendation.

In the two states that I'm barred in, the recommenders only had to fill out standard forms sent to them by the bar.  They didn't have to write LORs on my behalf.

When I get to work today, I'll edit my post and put some of the questions up asked of those recommenders.  This should at least give you a generalized sense of what they're looking for.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Wayne State: Worth it?
« on: March 15, 2011, 07:03:28 AM »
I'm not going to rehash the whole subject of law school transparency and reliability of employment stats - it's been doe a thousand times; however, it is common knowledge (even with the ABA) that there are problems with employment numbers reported by law schools.  They cannot be taken at face value.

OK.  Thanks.  So here are the employment #s for MSU:  And here are the #s for WSU:  They purport to list graduates employed by type of employer, size of employer, etc.

Which of these numbers are lies/pure BS/cannot be trusted?  And what information do you have to support your claim?

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Wayne State: Worth it?
« on: March 13, 2011, 08:18:11 PM »
employment numbers

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Wayne State: Worth it?
« on: March 13, 2011, 02:22:24 PM »
ALL law schools lie about these numbers.  They are pure BS and cannot be trusted.

The % w/ jobs 9 mos after graduation was very impressive in this economy--over 98%. But even more impressive was the number who are getting jobs out of state--almost half the class, over 29 states, as you can see from the link above.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAT in... I got a 150
« on: March 04, 2011, 11:57:17 AM »
No, and No.  Might be worth focussing on the area of weakness and retaking it.  You CAN figure out how to do the games, there are plenty of published methods out there.

You have to also understand that I don't know how to do logic games. Law Schools should consider this when factoring in my score.

I'm actually not too demoralized with a 150..... I mean.... It's a bad score, but it was my first time taking the test... Doesn't that count for something?

The law IS open to interpretation, but no matter...

Why even bother with an online JD?  Save yourself the time and heartburn and just walk away - that's OK.  It's not a bad thing to be feeling some contempt toward law and law schools... law schools ARE contemptable.

IMO, your time, money, and effort would be better spent on a Master's or other type of post-graduate work, not law.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Taking the plunge!
« on: February 27, 2011, 01:52:34 PM »
Lawstudent can speak for himself, but his post was in no way judgmental or elitist - in fact his comment was the opposite.  He said "Traveling trailor, middle aged T4. If that's not the exact  opposit of eliteism, then it dosn't exist!" with a wink and a nod - simply acknowledging that this (foolish IMO) endevour is the polar opposite of the elitism often associated with law and law students.

To the issue posed by the OP - cashing in 401Ks at 39 years old to go to a T4 sounds like a very risky proposition.  There is a big difference between "calculated risk" and "risky gamble."  Firms are not beating a path to hire middle-age associates, and throwing $150K away to learn that lesson does not seem wise to me.  Personally, I would seriously re-think the plan and seek advice from several folks who are not associated with a law school.  I would start with a financial planner, then an accountant, perhaps a practicing attorney who will be brutally honest, and a career counselor.  You are talking about a 6-figure investment that could lead to long-term ruin, make sure you do all of your due dilligence. 

Why not spend the money and effort building upon your existing undergrad degree?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Taking the plunge!
« on: February 26, 2011, 08:39:15 PM »
Maybe she realized how risky and crazy it sounded after she typed it out and actually read it.  Cashing in 401Ks at 39 to go to law school?  Not strong decision-making IMO.

why'd you erase your own post though? Are you that embaressed by your life? ???

Law School Admissions / Re: DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL!!!
« on: February 24, 2011, 10:02:31 AM »
50K to 80K is not that much for an annual income - ESPECIALLY if you have significant student loans to repay.

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