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You guys should be scared and depressed reading this thread - because it is real.  Yes, I too recommend avoiding LS unless you are going to a T1 or high T2 (no I am not a Tier snob - it is just reality).   That said, many will go to law school... just keep this info in mind and do not be afraid to walk away as you learn more and confront your reality.  The jobs and money simply are not out there and as you research you will see that that fact has moved out of the world of scamblogs and into the main stream like the WSJ and NYT.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: In a holding pattern...
« on: December 04, 2011, 06:52:22 PM »
Nothing to add but a heartfelt Thank You and God bless you for your service to this country.  We appreciate it.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: 39 and considering law school
« on: November 27, 2011, 11:38:22 PM »
Not true - all professions are not on the same level as law when it comes to cost for license and difficulty finding work.  There are plenty of jobs for nurses and pilots.  Nurses don't spend $100K for their degrees either, maybe 30K on the high end at a public university.  You just cannot compare other career's employment stats unless they have similar requirements.  Taking 30K in loans for a nursing degree and being unemployed sucks, but in-and-of-itself is not financially devastating - worst case the military will fall over themselves to have you join and it's great experience.  Being 100K in debt and unemployed as a lawyer is a whole different kettle of fish.

It doesn't do much to contribute to the situation, but where else I have heard there are no jobs? Oh yea this board there are no jobs for lawyers. Talk to nursing students no jobs for nurses. Pilots no jobs there.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: So ... where?
« on: November 18, 2011, 09:00:42 AM »
How can location not be important?  Surely you have SOME preference as to where you want to live, work, and build a life.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 153, 3.92
« on: November 18, 2011, 08:56:57 AM »
Previous poster is right, bone up and boost that LSAT score.  GPA shows you have smarts, parlay that into real opportunity for scholarship money and admission into the best school possible by getting a better LSAT.  Take prep courses and practice tests, show some hunger.

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If your numbers are realistically good enough to get you into U of M then yes, by all means.  If you are a 3.0 gpa and 155 LSAT, probably not.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: 39 and considering law school
« on: November 18, 2011, 08:42:18 AM »
I respect Falcon, but have a different opinion on this.  Be realistic about your family needs and financial situation.  I was about the same age and regret doing it for several reasons: (1) entry-level law salary could not compete with my existing professional salary, and (2) the time it took me away from family/kids.  Fortunately I took out no loans and did not have to pay much for school.  If you have kids, think about having them essentially going without a father for 3+ years.  If you are happy with your current job and salary, consider that you will be starting out in a highly competitive field with kids half your age, likely making less than you are now if you can find a job.  Imagine being at the very bottom of the food chain reporting to kids 10 or 15 younger than you.  Also, if you are going to have to pay "full price," ask yourself if paying out $100K over the next 3 years is the wisest thing to do.  Lawyering is very different from coaching/teaching - you may find yourself bored to tears.  If this is a fairly recent itch, I suggest waiting a year before you scratch it, make sure it is TRULY what you want to do and that doing it makes good sense.

Yes, age discrimination is illegal, but unless a candidate is exceptional, I think most firms are going to take the young and hungry over-achieving "kid" out of law school who they can use, abuse, and groom over the middle-age person with experience, opinions, and personal life who might not be interested in working 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, and come back eagerly looking for more.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: So ... where?
« on: November 14, 2011, 10:09:09 AM »
I agree with Bigs - these dollar figures should not make or break a decision.  Go where you want to live and practice.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: DON'T DO IT!!
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:54:22 AM »
While you are not wrong - don't expect your perspective to be heeded, appreciated, or even believed.

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General Board / Re: INSTITUTIONAL DENIAL ABOUT THE DARK SIDE OF LAW SCHOOL
« on: November 10, 2011, 11:04:47 AM »
*response.*  And 98.5% of lawyers who have graduated in the last 5 years are NOT doing just fine - especially T3/T4 grads.  Not that I owe you any explanation or justification, but as I have posted before, by any measure I am doing much more than "just fine" financially and professionally.  My comments and advice are not out of spite, malice, or anger, but rather out of experience and observation.  I believe in my heart that a T4 education for a lot of people is a very bad... "investment" just does not seem like the right word.  A lot of folks attending T3/4s are going to find that out.

People say "I'm not in it for the money."  When one spends $100K on the degree they better be in it for the money otherwise they are setting themselves up for financial ruin and will be out occupying (insert place name her) with the rest of the fleabaggers when they cannot pay their loans and have enough money to live a decent lifestyle.

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