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it usually not easy as may look.  law funny that way.  prepare to lose your ass.

As usual Julie has a good point (although without her usual, um, flair).

Nobody will fold on a bet-the-business lawsuit.  If you start this it will get ugly.  That's not to say that you wouldn't be successful, but you should budget significant amounts of time, money, and heartache to any such effort - and you should also consider the possibility that you will end up worse off than you started.  Counterclaims...  never forget the counterclaims...

But then, I am Mr. Corporate Guy, and I hate litigation in general.  Can't we all just get along?

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Law School Applications / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: November 21, 2010, 02:10:29 PM »
At the risk of a minor hijack - perhaps I am letting out my inner grumpola, but I find that most "clinics" in law school are of limited value for anyone who is biglaw bound (and for many others as well), and perhaps even harmful.

I say this because:

1. The subject matter of most clinics is irrelevant to your future job, and they provide little if any resume boost.

2. The practical skills and experience gained, to the extent not irrelevant to the job, would be gained within a couple of weeks of starting with the firm anyway.

3. Law school allows you to spend time acquiring information that will be much harder to learn after graduation.

4. The time spent on your welfare/street law/landlord could have been spent taking an extra tax class, which WILL come in handy after graduation.

There are exceptions, of course - an appellate clinic might teach useful skills, and if that particular clinic has resume value then that is good.  And I would view full-time clinic placements during summers as a different creature from intra-year course-based clinics.

But by and large I don't think clinics add a lot.

That said, clinics can be fun, and there is certainly value in that.

(Any update from other schools?  I'm still pulling for Yale, and hopefully you won't have to go to BikePilot's school.  But as I said earlier, I would consider Georgetown a smashing success given your odd resume.  Any improvement from there is pure gravy.  AFAIK that school has an extraordinarily good success rate specifically with biglaw, which would suit you well.)

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Law School Applications / Re: 2010-2011 Application Cycle
« on: November 10, 2010, 11:57:32 PM »
Congratulations on Georgetown - that is an excellent school.  Getting that as your first reply makes life easier from here, since you won't have to worry about whether to go to safety schools.

Depending on the nature of your ambitions, Georgetown can be one of the best door-opening schools in the country.  Well done.

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I recommend Thane Messinger's Law School: Getting In, Getting Good, Getting The Gold.

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Bikepilot is exactly correct.  Law school doesn't prepare you for the bar exam - studying for the bar exam prepares you for the bar exam.  Study hard in law school to learn things and get grades, and then study hard during bar prep to pass the exam.  Both are important, but they are almost entirely unrelated.

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Law School Applications / Re: To Apply ED or NOT to Apply ED?
« on: October 24, 2010, 02:54:51 PM »
That might not be an enforceable contract. I was trying to look for a case if it ever came up, but I did not see anything, I am just really curious if they are enforceable contracts or not, but I doubt any student has ever sued about it. ...  Not to mention the complete unequal bargaining power a applicant has compared to an Ivy League Institution.  I just cannot see how these contracts would be enforceable, but I could be wrong.

The answer, of course, is that (as I suspect you were already thinking) these contracts are 100% enforceable - enforceable by reality.  As whether they would be enforceable in a court of law, well, that's an interesting academic question - emphasis on "academic."

The underlying reality of most contracts, of course, is that it really doesn't matter what the contract says.  In this case, any attempt at pursuing a legal remedy would almost certainly have a net negative result for the plaintiff, regardless of the outcome of the suit.

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General Board / Re: Computers in the classroom
« on: October 24, 2010, 02:47:25 PM »
Good points, Thane, but you turned my suggestion into something far more substantive than it was.  I was making the much lower-level observation that law practice is full of distractions, particularly including computer distractions.  Therefore, intentionally exposing students to computer distractions in class might prepare/train/inoculate them for computer distractions in the office.

Both this post and my prior should be read with tongue halfway into cheek.

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I missed a good chunk of my 2L year due to an injury, and spent the rest of the year on crutches and painkillers, which definitely slowed me down. 

I didn't postpone anything, except taking the exams over the summer, and was able to get back in the swing.  Granted my situation wasn't as serious as yours, but it occurs to me that law school isn't about remembering stuff so much as being in a mindset.  So, assuming you can recover the almost-lawyer mindset, you should be fine.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NGOs, Public service..?
« on: October 23, 2010, 02:56:03 AM »
Those jobs you listed are vastly different from each other.  Getting a job helping domestic abuse victims is relatively easy, unless you want to get paid.  The ACLU and similar high-profile organizations, on the other hand, are quite selective.  Most of their lawyers graduate from top schools and spend time with big firms before joining.

Most lawyers have ambitions of helping others while not starving themselves.  As a result, the (very few) public interest jobs that actually pay more than subsistence wages are highly sought after and can be among the most competitive of all law jobs. 

If you have other sources of income, then finding a rewarding volunteer opportunity should be doable, depending on what exactly you have in mind.

An alternative to NGO jobs is government jobs.  DAs work with domestic abuse victims and certainly work in the public interest, as do the lawyers at the various public aid agencies and child welfare agencies.  Department of Justice, etc. - the state and Federal governments employ many lawyers, all of whom by definition work in the public interest.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Dec test to apply this cycle?
« on: October 23, 2010, 02:40:58 AM »
...my pre-law advisor ... [believes] any LSAT preparation is evil...

I don't have anything useful to contribute to the actual subject matter, but just wanted to take a moment to repost this little gem.  I am having a hard time wrapping my head around a pre-law advisor who doesn't approve of LSAT preparation.  That isn't so much the worst. pre-law. advisor. evar. as simply an anti-law advisor.  Talk about missing the point of your job.

(But hey, with the bar set that low, maybe there is a second-career opportunity there for me.)

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