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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: BU 2L taking ?s
« on: June 11, 2007, 07:23:13 PM »
I applied to bu as the only law school in boston. now I am really worried as it seems that BU is more completive with a higher first year drop out when I would like. I'm kind of really regretting not applying to BC after the things I have read about the facilities and competitiveness. I am also wait-listed at UCLA and cornel and would go there but I'm not holding my breath at this point. I got into UC Davis and even though it's way down on the rankings I am almost considering going there at this point. any advice would be very appreciated. good community and low competitiveness are real important to me I just don't know what to do. how much of a difference is there between bu and bc in those respects, night and day?

I wouldn't stress about BC. You didn't apply so unless you are planning on taking a whole year off, I would not worry about it. Keep it in the past. Focusing on the right school for you is what is important. If you feel comfortable at a school, I would go with wherever you feel the most comfortable, as this will probably be where you will do best during your first year.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Honest opinions on WUSTL
« on: May 28, 2007, 08:09:37 PM »
My honest opinion after recruiting and woring for a while in the legal field, WUSTL is a good choice so long as you are looking for a BIGLAW job. If you want BIGLAW, there are better schools that place better at the top firms that are just as easy to get into. (ie BU, BC, GW, ND). I am a BU student/graduate, but without any bias to BU, there are many other schools that place much better than WUSTL. Its a great school, but there are better schools out there. However, if you want St. Louis or the lower midwest, you will get what you want.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New ENgland School of Law
« on: May 18, 2007, 06:39:09 PM »
Seriously, so long as you are not interested in BIGLAW, its not a horrible choice. However, I would never attend a tier 3 or 4 school without a significant scholarship; you'll never be able to pay off the loans. However, if you want to work as a PI or DA attorney, this is a great place to start.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: BU 2L taking ?s
« on: May 18, 2007, 06:37:51 PM »
Taking questions this weekend.

First, the markets of Minnesota and Wyoming are TTT and not comparable to Chicago.

Second, I was not arguing that that are simply MORE UIUC grads in Chicago and thus, UIUC > Michigan. In terms of the elite firm placement, one finds more UIUC grads are in those Chicago firms than Michigan grads.
So for Chicago BigLaw, UIUC has better numbers than Michigan.

Maybe this is a semantic disagreement over the word "placement".

I'd prefer, as a city, Minn over Chicago any day. But thats preference. Chicago is a better market and its tough to get a job at one of the top firms in Minn

BC is extremely cutthroat. It's a good school, but it has tons of gunners. BU has a more collegial atmosphere, despite it's more urban location.

I am a BU law student, and I can definitively say that you have this backwards. We are have a very cutthroat atmosphere; it is extremely competitive and people can be complete dicks to eachother. My 1L, there were at least five incidents of someone having their bag and computer stolen before finals. It sucked. But we do have great bar reviews and a prom and I really enjoyed myself. I think its as bad as any other cutthroat law school.

BC is completely different. I have a few friends and I have, at times, wished I got accepted to BC becuase of these experiences. Now, I dont think employment would have been too much better, but the experience was completely different; the students at BC all seems to get along and hang out. Its like they forget they are competing against eachother.

Please use the search function to get a perspective on specialty rankings; they are intended merely to sell magazines should never be used as a basis for a decision. This category may be the worst, as you will find in law school that the concept of international law is so post-modern that it is impossible to quantify a school based on this characteristic.

I had a student ask me whether the administration endorses the BU Bioterrorism Lab in Boston; she didnt want to go to a school that endorsed such a facility. I laughed in her face and walked away.

First, if you are coming to BU, forget Watchel; we do not get jobs there. Thats no necessarily a bad thing. The top students at BU usually end up at good firms, but not that one.

Second, when I talk about BIGLAW, I mean AMLaw 100 and Vault 100 firms. I generally think of the AM Law 100, hence why we call it BIGLAW; vault is also pretty biased toward the East Coast so not a very accurate ranking system. Taken together, however, these are the top firms in the country and thus this si what I mean when I talk about BGILAW.

Finally, grades matter even at the top schools. I  have met law students NYU in the bottom half of their class without jobs after graduation. It is less of an issue, but it happens even at the top schools.

I feel like the other people in this thread besides KeNo are trying to make BU into something it is not.  BU is very good law school.  It is not a top 5, top 10, or top 20 law school though.  So to suggest that it places at big law in NYC (the most freaking competitive market for big law) at a rate equal to or higher than NYU, Columbia, and other top law schools in the area is RIDICILOUS. Do well and you have a good shot at big law in New York city.  Do not think you are guaranteed anything at even top 25% though.  It is a very competitive market and while BU does more than hold its own, it is still lower on the totem pole than the much higher ranking schools. Quite frankly it could be that the 25% or so that end up in New York are the BOTTOM 25% and they are stuck in the crappier jobs.  While not likely, it is just as possible as anything else other people are trying to divine from these statistics.

I am a BU law student about to graduate. I thought I would jump in here adn defend some of the things being said. First, I agree that some of the posters on here are making my school out to be a little better at NYC BIGLAW placement than it is; generally, the top 15% at BU will be able to get BIGLAW in NYC. Top 50% will get a position at one of the countless firms in NYC, but again, only around the top 15% of so will be able to get a job at the top firms in NYC. We are not NYU or Columbia and our placement is nothing near top 1/3 for NYC BIGLAW. In Boston, top 1/3 will get you a position at one of the bigger firm and top 20% will usually get you a position at one of the top firms.

Outside of Boston, we don't do nearly as well as you would do at a local school. Please don't come to BU thinking that we place well nationally; you have to do really well to get a BIGLAW job in a non-Boston market, and I hate the 1Ls that come in thinking they are entitled to a job. My mentee thought he was entitled to a job until he went through recruiting and reality set in. Fact of the matter is that only those at the top 5 schools are going to get BIGLAW no matter where they place, at BU, you have to do well.

Finally, if you want NYC, go to Fordham. We do not place nearly as well in NYC as Fordam. You should always go to a local school if you can.

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