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My comment about the rankings was in no way meant to be negative or to dissuade you from attending law school. It was meant to explain that there is some importance to the rankings and not just for people who want to make lots of money at big law firms. You can be a positive, proactive, hard worker and still be realistic about the challenges you will face graduating from a T-4 in a market with fewer jobs than lawyers to fill them. Wanting to go to a higher ranked law school doesn't mean you can't hack it at the lower ranked school. Why fight an uphill battle if you don't have to and can go to a higher ranked school? I know it isn't just lawyers facing a job shortage--latest stats are something like 1 job available for every 4 or 5 people out of work. So you can schmooze all you want, but it's not going to work for everyone, since there aren't enough legal jobs, or jobs in general, for everyone to have a job. I do hope that we are all successful at finding employment when we graduate, since we are going to have some loans to pay back. :)

Transferring / Re: UNC transfer
« on: July 13, 2010, 07:30:05 PM »
I guess no one else on this site is applying to transfer to UNC this fall, but I'll share what I learned from the admissions office for future transfer applicants. If you don't hear anything by mid-July don't worry too much. When I talked to the person in the admissions office, I was told that they had not started reviewing transfer applications yet, so decisions may not be made until the end of July.

The ranking issue isn't only about making money. You say you want to make a big difference in your community. Some of those jobs that make a difference can be pretty competitive, such as working for the public defender's office. Many new lawyers want this type of job so that they can gain a lot of experience very quickly, especially in comparison to working at a large or medium firm. Some people may stay and others may leave after 3 years and go to a firm where they can make significantly more money. Coming from a higher ranked school will open more doors in these types of positions, unless you have some connections that you haven't listed.

(Note: I say this as someone transferring from T-4 to T-1 who has no big law ambitions and also wants to use her degree to help others.)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Military School
« on: July 12, 2010, 05:25:33 PM »
You should have a very good chance of getting into Elon. It's not accredited (provisional) though and is pretty expensive. If you can afford that rate and want to stay in NC, you may want to apply to Campbell. If you don't have a preference for a particular state, then there are a number of accredited T-4/3 schools where you'd probably get in, and some with scholarships. You should check out Law School Numbers ( and the GPA/LSAT search (

Financial Aid / Re: Grad Plus Loan...
« on: July 11, 2010, 10:19:49 PM »
Yeah, I don't see why some debt would keep you from getting it. When I applied it said you can get it as long as you don't have "bad" credit. Even if a person has bad credit, it sounded like they could get a cosigner and could still qualify.

Financial Aid / Re: Grad Plus Loan...
« on: July 11, 2010, 06:17:02 PM »
I got the grad plus loan. From what I understand you just can't have bad credit like a bankruptcy on your record or a history of not repaying loans.

Transferring / UNC transfer
« on: July 10, 2010, 08:01:16 PM »
Has anyone on here applied to transfer to UNC, and if so, have you heard anything back yet?

Well, if you have taken the LSAT 3 times already then it will not likely improve by much if you take it again. If you really want to be a lawyer, then you should look at the pros and cons of the schools where you've been accepted and determine which one is the best fit for your needs. I don't know if there is a difference in the cost of living between Charlotte & Jax, but you could apply to FCSL. If you got into Charlotte, then you would most likely get into FCSL since they are sister schools. FCSL is accredited and is more generous with money than CSL. It's still T-4, but it's a little bit better than Cooley (and it's right by the beach). FCSL tends to still accept people much later than most other schools. It is also possible that you will still be accepted where you are waitlisted. Sometimes those decisions are made right before school starts.

Canadian Law Students / Re: undergraduate institution
« on: July 10, 2010, 10:02:46 AM »
The formula for how much weight is given to the LSAT or the GPA depends on the school. Some schools are more open about the formula (and you will be able to find it or plug your stats into LSN and see where you fit in their scale) and others hide it.

(from Bigs) "Almost an entire law school admissions decision is based on your index number, which is the pure number of your UGPA x. Your LSAT score.  I think the formula is on LSAC somewhere, but your UGPA NUMBER nothing else matters in determing your index number. "

Canadian Law Students / Re: undergraduate institution
« on: July 09, 2010, 09:08:58 PM »
Actually, coming from CAD might actually help you at some schools because your international student status would help fulfill their diversity requirements and it might set you apart from other applicants.

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