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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 14, 2010, 05:29:08 PM »
Perhaps LS will be easy for you, but that is not the case for most students, at least not at first. The issue isn't just reading the material, and grasping it. Your professors will come up with ways to test you beyond that material by using hypotheticals that will test and push your understanding. The finals can be pretty formulaic, but you have to learn how to write them. Furthermore, by the time you actually take your final, you will have learned half the book to the whole book, depending on the class, which means that you will have to know a lot of information very, very well to get the A. You will have to figure out the issue(s) from the hypothetical and apply what you've learned very quickly. You can get As in law school, but they are certainly not easy As. I got quite a few As my first year, and I didn't think any of them were easy to get. However, maybe sonapickle is a super genius who is far superior to the rest of us.

Side note: Most of the people I've talked to in LS who thought it was easy or boasted like sonofapickle does didn't do very well on the finals.

Transferring / Re: Transferred credits
« on: August 14, 2010, 04:04:59 PM »
It should be on their site somewhere. Most schools seem to accept 29-30 transfer credits.

General Board / Re: Is renting books a good idea?
« on: August 12, 2010, 08:04:16 PM »
Positive: Renting them may save a lot of money

Negative: not being able to highlight the pages (so no book briefing or in-book note taking, which most people do); loss of the book at the end of the semester, so no desk reference for later (such as when your firm won't let you use LN or WL very much because it's ridiculously expensive)

I buy my books new from Amazon, and they are generally $20-30 (per book) cheaper than the bookstore & generally cheaper than other sites that sell LS textbooks. If you buy them used, then they will be full of distracting highlighting and writing. However, I buy my supplements used-good or used-like new off Amazon.

It's up to you. You just need to figure out what you can afford and what you need to help you learn. Remember the cheapest option isn't always the best, and this is an investment in your future. Of course, you do want to cut costs where you can.

Well, I guess the one main positive thing that could come out of it is jobs for unemployed construction workers. Plus, maybe it will save a few people. Who knows, maybe it can become a main attraction in SF. People could pay $15+ to jump off the bridge into the safety net. However, it definitely sounds like a huge waste of money.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 03, 2010, 12:21:04 PM »
I have read some of the Gilberts outlines.  They are very helpful.  They explain what the law is and cite the cases where the black letter law comes from.  I found them to be much more helpful than the horn books.  Therefore, if someone reads the outlines and briefs each case that is in each Gilberts volume, he/she will actually learn the law.  A J.D. from this school along with an LLM could turn a student into an attorney.

Yes, they are very helpful as supplements to be used after reading the horn books if you still don't understand what is going on or while working on your class outline. However, part of going to law school is learning to think like a lawyer (so cliche and overused, I know), and this process involves a lot of analysis. Reading the cases is one way to help with this process, especially 1st year, because you have to learn to pull out the rule and how to apply it, and this is something reading Gilbert's doesn't teach you how to do. There may be lots of supplements, but they are always behind the times a little bit. Say for example you are working on a case and some new decision comes down. You need to be able to critically read and analyze the decision because it could have an important impact on your case. Sure you can read the case summary, but those are always incomplete. It seems like this method could help a student learn the black letter law, but it could also seriously handicap the student when he/she gets to the real world.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 02, 2010, 09:56:29 PM »
This program kind of makes me sick. I looked it up and they are going to award people JDs for completing 15 modules/courses. Apparently the "textbook" for each class is a supplement. This program makes JDs look like a joke or some sort of AA. It obviously has nothing to do with the ABA, and they should call the degree a "JD certificate", not a JD.

LSAC and LSDAS / Re: Can you circumvent the LSDAS GPA?
« on: August 01, 2010, 04:42:48 PM »
I wasn't trying to accuse you of being dishonest, just trying to let you know how seriously LSAC and law schools take everything. It would be nice if we could wipe out bad grades, but unfortunately LSAC doesn't let us do that. Good luck on the rest of your undergrad courses and when you apply to law school.  :)

Transferring / Re: T4 to T1
« on: August 01, 2010, 12:22:36 PM »
Yep, UF it is. :) I went to visit Gainesville & UF last weekend, and I was really happy with what I saw. It looks like everything in the town is close, and it has that small town feel while still being big enough to have most of everything. My husband and I like that after living the last year in Jax.

Law School Applications / Re: Application conundum
« on: July 31, 2010, 08:34:49 PM »
There is something to be said for overcoming adversity, but I agree that this story might not work for him as well as say overcoming homelessness. It might also suggest to the school that he might have trouble being admitted to the bar. He should focus more on highlighting his achievements IMO.

LSAC and LSDAS / Re: Can you circumvent the LSDAS GPA?
« on: July 31, 2010, 07:41:19 PM »
No, I don't think so. I retook one course in college (not F, just not high enough), and LSAC averaged in both grades. LSAC wants to see all the credits you've taken. LSAC will want the transcript from every college you have ever attended, even if you transferred and are no longer receiving a degree from that institution. You need to be careful not showing them all of your credits because you could get in trouble with LSAC or your law school if you get found out for attempting to hide them.

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