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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
« on: June 13, 2010, 08:33:35 PM »
Oh, it's ok. It's just that the idea that someone could really put so much time and effort into earning the degree and into securing a job and still end up working at McD's (or even worse to be so overqualified that even McD's wouldn't hire them) is disheartening. I knew it would be an uphill battle when I enrolled in a T-4. I worked my butt off the 1st year and it went really well, so I'm hoping to move to a better school in the hopes that it will put me a little bit closer to the top of the hill. (**Fingers crossed**) However, if transferring doesn't work, the hard work earned a much bigger scholarship, so I won't be in as much debt and will be able to take a lower paying job if need be.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: June 13, 2010, 05:41:25 PM »
@Hardworking: So does this mean you decided against going to LS all together or you turned down scholarships from the T-3/4? (You seem really set against the T-3/4 schools and have posted a lot about them, so I'm wondering whether your opinions are based on the opinions of your friends or it is because you have completed  law school and have experience with the job market.)

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
« on: June 13, 2010, 05:29:39 PM »
That is certainly disheartening. :(  The economy is definitely in terrible shape right now and it doesn't seem to be getting better. I currently go to a T-4 and the job opportunity issue is one of the biggest reasons I'm trying to transfer.

For med school and veterinary school you generally have to have a biochem, chem, or biology degree to apply for the program (and I know for vet you generally need more of the biochem type degree). The med people take the MCAT, like we take the LSAT.  It seems like the "traditional background" degree is political science or a more general pre-law designation, such as pre-law/history, which are offered at most schools. Where I go to LS, most of the people seem to have polysci-like degrees.

Thank you.  :)

Florida Coastal

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: June 13, 2010, 03:15:44 PM »
Well, I had to talk to the Dean at my school before they would release my transcript, but they don't bargain about scholarships anymore. I heard that they used to do that during the discussion, but now they have a set scholarship amount they will give you based on your rank. Unfortunately, no full rides there.  :(

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: June 13, 2010, 02:08:53 PM »
bigs5068, that's definitely true, a lot of the students do end up going to T-4s because of the scholarship money. It's not just because of lower LSAT scores. The T-4s give out a lot of money. If you do well the 1st year, they are also likely to give you an even bigger scholarship.

I go to a T-25 and when we have visiting professors here they are terrible compared to the quality of education you get from the actual profs. The subject matter may be the same, but that doesn't mean you learn it as well. That's one difference.

Exactly true.  Many Tier 4 schools don't even want to hire other Tier 4 graduates.  You should listen to people on this site about Tier 3 and Tier 4 schools.  Sure, people are having a hard time finding a job with all types of degrees but, there is a big difference between a Doctor who has an M.D. from a lower-ranked medical school and a Lawyer who graduates from a lower-ranked law school.  Doctors have much more stringent admissions policies than Lawyers have when it comes to further education.  Law schools will take people with various degrees whereas medical schools expect you to have a certain amount of math and science courses before even applying.  Let's not pretend that a tier 4 law school is anything like a lower ranked medical school.  Many tier 4 law schools are just paper mills that are out to take your money.  As far as attrition rate, you can find out how many people actually failed out. Don't waste your money.  Go get a graduate degree or a something else.  Stay far away from Tier 4 schools.

You know, there is a big difference between what doctors and lawyers do. Of course doctors need a much more specific undergraduate focus before going to med school. I'm not sure what specific focus you believe you need to become a lawyer, and I find your comment about that slightly offensive as someone who doesn't have the so called "traditional background" for becoming a lawyer. My undergraduate degree in anthropology in no way hindered my ability to comprehend the law and to analyze. Furthermore, I did take 1 class during my time as an undergraduate with the so-called traditional background students. They all kept talking about how it was the hardest class and teacher in their degree program, but it was really easy compared to my classes. Based on my experience, the undergraduate degree itself doesn't matter. What matters is the student's ability to understand the law and apply it.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: June 13, 2010, 01:42:55 PM »
HardWorking, I disagree that it is a waste of money to go to a T-4 law school. It's only a waste of money if you go to law school because you aren't sure what to do next or if you are not willing to put in the work. (If that is the case, then it is a waste of money no matter what T it is.) Yes, going to a T-4 may mean you have an uphill battle in getting good summer work during school and finding a job after you graduate, especially if you want to move out of the region, but lots of people are able to make it work for them. Furthermore, you can get an excellent legal education at a T-4 school. It's not as if T-4 means poor quality teachers. As to the "disconnect", well, there are a lot of smart people who don't fair so well on standardized testing, so they end up going to T-4 schools.

Like bigs5068, I am also curious about your hostility toward T-4 schools. Is it based on your own personal experience or is it because you went to a T-1 and shun all those in the T-4 bracket?

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