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Law School Admissions / Re: in-state tuition?
« on: June 20, 2010, 09:06:43 PM »
You can check with the school, but it does generally take around 12 months (but some will go ahead and let you get it a month early or so (based on personal experience), but not much earlier than that). You will usually need to show that you have have ties to the state for that long by establishing a residence (generally cannot be on campus), getting a DL, getting a voter's registration & voting, paying taxes, etc.

I'm not sure what you are talking about with the ads because I don't see any on my screen. If there are ads then you can use adblock plus on firefox and you won't see them.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: June 20, 2010, 05:51:28 PM »
Just wanted to  inject a dose of reality on this solo practitioner thing. In theory this might seem like a good idea if someone can't find a job, but there would be significant costs that don't exactly make it practical or feasible. I think it would be really hard for someone with $100K+ debt to secure the additional loan needed to afford such things as WestLaw/Nexis and/or law books, a building (because who is going to hire the lawyer that takes all their meetings at his/her apartment, parents' house, Starbucks, etc.), malpractice insurance, phone service, advertising...

The other thing you should consider is what you have to do to keep the scholarship. Many schools put a GPA requirement on the scholarship to make it harder for students to keep it. You should find out what the curve is at the school and the GPA that you must attain to keep it and decide whether you would want to stay at that school if you lose the scholarship.

Current Law Students / Re: Accept it and conform.
« on: June 20, 2010, 04:14:59 AM »
Yes, you can, but my point is effective representation (because you actually know what you are doing) & the phasing out of the legal profession.

Current Law Students / Re: Accept it and conform.
« on: June 19, 2010, 07:08:59 AM »
Not knocking Cooley, just saying the opinion that Cooley is the "best" is pretty subjective.

1. Cooley isn't the largest full-time program; it is the part-time program that is large. It may be the biggest based on the shear number of part-time students, but PT is non-traditional in determining the size of the school.

2. How do you define best? I would like to think a school that is "the best" would have a much, much better bar passage rate than nearly 1/3 flunking (unless they want to take MI bar--then they have a fair chance of passing). If you want to get out of MI, look to your right, now look to your left, and 1 of those classmates or you will fail the bar exam.

3. Umm, the cost is ridiculous for a full-time student without a scholarship...not the best combo--high debt and bad bar passage rate.

4. employment after 9 mo is below 90%...again, definitely not the best, even for a T-4.

5. average salary after graduation...ouch, paying it back will hurt and you may die of old age, potentially living with a large never ending looming debt over your heard for you entire life may--not part of my definition of "the best".

Perhaps, despite the above, Cooley grads will take over the legal system, but they are going to have to watch out for the other waring factions (such as Concord, etc. if the ABA starts allowing online JDs to practice). Eventually a collapse will occur, after legal anarchy occurs.  Alternatively, a collapse will occur because everyone will get their online JD and represent themselves. Ahhh! Legal apocalypse!

Transferring / Re: how long do transfer decisions take?
« on: June 18, 2010, 08:05:24 AM »
To FSU (accepts 60+) from a T-4 in that state and in close proximity.

Current Law Students / Re: Accept it and conform.
« on: June 17, 2010, 10:29:50 PM »
To which school are you referring?

Current Law Students / Re: LS = figuring out your professor???
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:27:32 PM »
Well, based on my experience at my school, knowing what the professor wants has more to do with how they want you to format your answer--IRAC, flowing IRAC with MOR analysis (more essay style), lots of case names and explanations, or doesn't care whether you use cases. In my experience profs don't mind telling you which format they want. It helps them to tell you because they will have to grade 70+ exams, and would rather grade one structured the way they prefer. It doesn't seem to impact how much you need to know the law. Regardless of which one they want, you need to know the law really well, and you have to know how to apply it.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 4 Law Schools
« on: June 17, 2010, 03:10:17 PM »
SASS,  thank you for answering my questions. Your input has been very helpful. I have felt a bit torn by what I've heard from friends, profs, message boards, etc. Some people have suggested staying if you are on law review, saying that it matters more than the T, and then others have suggested that going to a T-1 is still better. Some of my profs have tried to persuade me to stay and others have said that it would be a better opportunity to leave.  (I'm sure some of the profs feel like they have to try to convince students to stay since the Dean sends around an e-mail to them about students who are planning to transfer. We also have to meet with the Dean about our reasons for wanting to transfer before they will release our transcripts.) I would like to be at a school where finding a job isn't as much of an uphill battle. I'm also afraid that if I stay that I will be confined to this 1 city. I also have to think about the fact that I am married (and have a husband willing to move right now for this), so I have to try to open as many doors  as possible, and I think moving up a couple tiers would help. Ideally, I'd like my husband to be able to go back to school for his PhD when I'm done or be able to start while I'm in school (depends on where we transfer), and I think a higher tiered school would give me a greater ability to find a job wherever he goes to school.

(Part of the above is also to address some of what Bigs has been saying. The interest in moving up to T-1 isn't necessarily about big law. The motivation can also be a desire to be able to be more mobile in an economy that is really bad.)

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