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Job Search / Re: How was OCI?
« on: September 13, 2010, 09:33:33 PM »
Well, we had about 50 employers for EIW, but I didn't apply to very many of them. I did a few interviews and have had 1 callback interview so far. We've had a lot less employers for each of the 3 phases after EIW. I haven't been interested in most of the employers since a lot of them are so far away. I do have another interview next week. (fingers crossed as I would really like to cross finding a summer associate position off the to do list) So far I've found it to be a great learning experience--OCI interviews, law firm socials to get to know the employer, 1/2 day interview--all things that are completely new to me.

Which law school do you attend?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: It is people like these that give law school a bad name
« on: September 12, 2010, 07:35:09 PM »
Yeah, it does sound like CA may be very different from FL in terms of OCI and employment opportunities. I don't know anyone from FCSL that got a good associate position from 1L OCI (or any position for that matter), or anyone that has participated in 2L OCI at FCSL. The 2L OCI at FCSL consists of very infrequent e-mail saying a specific employer will be collecting resumes, rather than any sort of bidding on Symplicity. Of the few employers that do accept resumes from FCSL, it sounds like the employers are only willing to meet with the top 5 or 10% there. For me the switch to UF has already opened up a lot of doors that were closed to me while I was at FCSL, and it's worth paying a little extra to go there.

I absolutely agree that there is no guarantee that I will have a job when I graduate. UF is a T1, but it's certainly not YHS (I put it in the correct order for Morten). Employment after graduation is definitely something I worry about.

I also think you're right about taking the money over going to a T2/3 (at least not a low T2). I was not going to leave FCSL and give up law review & the big scholarship for anything less than the top 60, and even then I was hoping to break into the top 50. I have known people who gave up some scholarship money and a semester of credits to go to a much more expensive school that was like #90, and to me that didn't make any sense.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: question about california law schools
« on: September 11, 2010, 07:41:03 PM »
I haven't seen that many people on LSD that say they currently go to CA law schools, but bigs5068 does, so maybe he'll reply. If he doesn't reply, you may want to PM him. He seems to know a lot about the schools, areas, etc. in CA.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: It is people like these that give law school a bad name
« on: September 11, 2010, 05:45:42 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree a little bit on this 47th, 96th, whatever, take the money at a T4 thing. Maybe my view is skewed because the "low" T1 I go to is in a state that has no higher T1. I started at a T4 and transferred to a T1, and have experienced a huge difference in job prospects. For example, OCI in general. My T1 had real OCI, where as my T1 has had a lot of larger firms sign up for OCI this year. Beyond OCI generally, in talking to associates from these larger firms, I have learned just how much graduating from my T4 would have hurt my job prospects. Many of these firms seem like they would have thrown my application in the trash after just seeing the name of my T4 had I graduated from it, even though I was at the top. They had no problem saying that they only interviewed at my T1 because it was the best in the state and it either had the best students off the bat or scooped them up through the transfer process. (I was shocked by this viewpoint by the way. FSU isn't exactly a bad school in my opinion.) Other large firms went to my school and maybe a couple others in the state, but absolutely not my T4 or any of the others in this state. So I guess my point is that you can't expect to have a job handed to you without trying, but many jobs are available for students at T1s that are not open to T4s, or even T2/3. And at my "low" T1, if you can't find a job straight out because of the economy, the school may help find a judicial clerk position for you and fund it. The school did that for the  30 people last year who couldn't find work in the 2009 nightmare situation (but the other 400 some graduate found work). (The school has agreed to keep doing this until the economy starts getting better.) My T4 didn't do anything like that and many of those graduates were simply SOL.

There's a program called like EyeQ or something like that. (You might be able to get cheap access to it through your school.) The purpose of the software is to increase your reading speed, while also increasing what you retain. Your supposed to spend like 15-30 min a day using the software. Some people say it has really helped them and I have heard others say they used it and their speed didn't change. Good luck!

Current Law Students / Re: Character and Fitness
« on: September 02, 2010, 05:24:02 PM »
MA, I think there are a lot of people who have issues in their past that they'll have to report to the bar. It helps if the issues occurred at least several years before you apply to the bar. Community service is something the bar will look upon favorably when determining whether to admit you.

Okay, if it's just a hookup, then yeah, the guy should have been smarter/more responsible and wrapped it up. And yeah, I agree, people do stupid things in the heat of passion. Anyway, if it was a hookup, then I don't really feel so sorry for the guy, though I still think that the hypo woman's actions are  morally repugnant. I agree with Chuck, that the STD issue is definitely another reason to use protection.

(The typical birth control "accident" that women hear about tends to be the trap a man into marriage tactic, so I assumed the woman was in a relationship with the man. A hookup is a totally different scenario in terms of blame.)

Note: This discussion is a nice change from the T4s/online LSs suck and T1s rule discussions that predominate this board.

Very true. Stats on birth control use show a lot of problems with it, such as the average woman missing 3 pills a month and it only 85% effective for most women because of how they take it. (kind of scary) It is also much less effective when women are obese. Women need to educate themselves more about birth control and take active steps not to miss any pills (like set your phone to remind you to take it at the same time every day). Being able to take the pill gives women power that they didn't have before, i.e. control over their bodies, and they should take it more seriously. The info is out there--internet, doctors, etc.

I do agree that men should be very careful until they know more about the woman's habits (and always if the woman isn't a responsible birth control taker). I also agree that there is a certain amount of responsibility that men need to take for their actions. Accidents happen and both parties need to be prepared and accountable. My problem is with the woman in the hypo who purposely deceived the man.

As to the comment from the other poster about the woman trying to get prego. Well, there are other ways to get pregnant than through deceit. She could go to a sperm bank or she could tell the man that she wants him to be a live sperm donor. The deceit in the hypo takes the power of choice away from the other person. Having a child is a huge responsibility and commitment, and this type of deceit shows deficient character and just seems flat out wrong. It also gives women a bad name and reinforces bad stereotypes about women.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Which school should I attend?
« on: September 01, 2010, 09:52:35 PM »
Stetson has a better rep than Nova in FL. Stetson was T2 (but #100) until a couple years ago. I think they are about the same price, and if I remember correctly, I don't think either school is super generous with the schollys.

Well, if they are engaged in that type of relationship, then the partners should be able to trust each other. If a man can't trust the woman, then he shouldn't be in the relationship. As to fault, unfortunately, while it would be nice to assign blame to the woman, the only person who would really pay for it would be the child (if born & not aborted).

In a purely fictional world without child support, etc. then I'd say it's all the woman's fault. What this hypo woman did was a huge violation of trust and it shows a lack of moral character. Unfortunately, some women are very desperate and think men will only love them or marry them if they get pregnant, so they think it's ok to trick men into impregnating them.

(This opinion comes from a woman.)

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