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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: reading notes for civ pro
« on: August 26, 2005, 08:20:51 AM »
can someone who has done well in civil procedure please explain their study techniques to me? how did you read, take notes on the reading, take class notes, outline, etc? i'm worried about it because studying for other classes seems so straight forward, while it's really frustrating me with this one. any help would be greatly appreciated.

Each person will find their own way to work with the material. Try several approaches to see what works for you.

I actually did it by keeping in mind what I wanted to see when I was studying for the exam. When we were working on a specific rule, I would usually retype the rule in outline form so I could see how the rule breaks down (civ pro rules often have a lot more information in one sentence than it seems at first). I would study the rule and then take notes in class on what the professor said about the rule. Later, when we were done with that rule, I would outline the rule again (emphasizing things that were obviously important and leaving out things that were not important) and also stick in the explanations from class on particular passages in the rule.

Later, when I did an outline for the class I used this condensed form of the rule to put in my outline. Also, in civ pro, it is very important to see the overall bigger concepts of how each rule works with other rules, the overall structure of the rules in general, etc. Pay particular attention to your course outline and syllabus from the book and the structure of the rules. Understand each rule individually, but see how the rules are structured overall to see the big picture.

That said, I do like what the above poster did with his example. Just keep working with it. You will get it. Statutory based classes were always harder for me to outline.

General Board / Re: 1L workload
« on: August 19, 2005, 06:03:42 PM »
You shouldn't have a problem finishing your work. If you are not finishing it, you are not using your time efficiently. Don't get into the habit of not finishing because you are spending too much time on one concept. Once you get behind, it is hell trying to catch up. Coming to class with only part of the work done is not the answer. You need to experiment with different ways of studying. You can find a way to finish all of the work and understand it at the level you are supposed to. You just need to find what works for you so that it is efficient, you understand the concepts and you don't burn yourself out.


Iíve been reading, analyzing and studying for about 10 hours today.

I've come to a point in which I find myself asking the question:

"Do they (meaning the university/professors) want us to actually learn the law and how to analyze fact situations and think, or simple breeze through the material so we can say we have done our assignment in which case you learn nothing?"

I like to take time and think about what I am reading, how it relates to the big picture, including an in depth analysis of how the court arrived at its conclusion based on applying rules of law to fact situations.  Also thinking of arguments that could be made by both appelle's and appellant's counsel.  Unfortunately, with the workload given at my university this is not really possible.

I'm going to continue to utilize this method even if its the case that i dont get the full assignment done. F THEM.  My goal is learning analysis and legal methods, thinking.  Not just blazing through it like the germans through poland in 1939.

1Ls or 2Ls please provide input and let me know if you are or have experienced similar thoughts.

Thank you.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: please advice on study technique
« on: August 18, 2005, 12:40:45 PM »
It seems like looking at exam questions now would not be beneficial. You really need more familiarity with the material in order to begin addressing exam questions. My advice would be to keep working with the material that you are studying now, wait until there is a shift in topics (ex: until you cover all of the elements for one cause of action), possibly do a short outline for that topic only and then look at exam questions addressing that topic only. If you feel you must look at exam questions early, it seems like it would be more beneficial at that time. Do it too early and it may confuse you. Having a good grasp on the topic as a whole and getting your professor's take on the material is crucial.

As far as paying attention to how much time is spent on each class, I don't think I ever really know exactly how much time I devote to each class. I just seem to keep working with it until I feel comfortable with it. That may be similar to what they suggest or it could be more or less depending on the material.

You will see a lot of people typing everything the professor says. The trick is to pick out what is important and what is not. It won't always be clear in the beginning. That skill will come with time.

General Board / Re: Professional Conduct, Responsibility & Ethics
« on: August 13, 2005, 03:31:27 PM »
I realize that most law schools' required courses include the study of Professional Conduct and Responsibility, but how many law students actually believe that ethics is an important role of lawyer practice?
How many students believe that they will still think that way after 5, 10 or more years of practice?

I think you have to continue to think that way if you want to continue practicing law.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Study group- Yay or Nay?
« on: August 09, 2005, 12:22:24 PM »
Thanks for checking it out.  ;)
Nothing personal, but I'd rather not disclose where I am at right now. I kind of like the anonymity.

Hey LawGirl,

I just clicked on your blog.  It's pretty cool. What T1 are you at?

I prefer to work alone, but it could be beneficial for some people.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Best Commercial Outlines
« on: August 08, 2005, 08:57:57 PM »
Ok there thinkerbox, we know it's you.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Study group- Yay or Nay?
« on: August 06, 2005, 06:34:35 PM »
I prefer to work alone, but it could be beneficial for some people.

Raise my hand a lot?  Lol.  Nice.

No need to worry Kelly.  You'll have plenty of practice once you start law school.  Just raise your hand a lot ;) and participate in moot court.

Are you getting nervous?

General Board / Re: Which is a better Criminal Procedure primer?
« on: August 04, 2005, 08:43:35 PM »
I like the E & E series. Although, I used it more for preperation for the final than I did for seeing the big picture.

I thought that Understanding Criminal Procedure was useless, but that is my opinion. I bought the book and maybe opened it 4 times. Picking through the relevant informatoin became time consuming because it covered a ton of cases that were not assigned to us. Although, if you are looking to read something to feel out the big picture, this book could be useful for you. I bought Gilberts and that worked well for me.

The original post was mine, and I posted it several months ago, so I'm surprised to see someone responding now.  Anyway, I partially disagree.  I used the books in the spring/early summer.  Understanding Criminal Procedure was incredible.  The book explained everyhting in a clear and concise manner, and laid out everything that needed to be known about crim pro.  I do agree that the E&E was great for hypotheticals.  But for a thorough summary of crim pro, "Understanding" is the way to go.

I liked it also.

Transferring / Re: How Hard To Transfer to T14?
« on: August 04, 2005, 07:26:13 PM »
Mentioning the journal was a nice touch.  ::)

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