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Current Law Students / Re: Books for this fall
« on: July 30, 2004, 12:44:30 PM »
I go to the bookstore and look for the used books that have not been marked in yet. If I cannot find one that is decent, then I buy new. I can't stand seeing someone else's thought process. Check your law school's bookstore out. You should be able to find some fairly decent used books. Just try to be one of the early bird buyers so that you have the best selection. Call the bookstore, but try to be right after the previous semester's buy back and before everyone else comes in to buy for the new semester.

Current Law Students / Advice for New Law Students
« on: July 30, 2004, 07:02:21 AM »
Someone asked for advice for new law students on a school specific board. I re-printed it here for all of you who will start school this fall.
Good luck to all of you.

General Advice for New Law Students

1. Always keep up on your reading. Never fall behind.

2. Take good notes. If you don't do this, you might as well leave now.

3. Don't skip class, it's just stupid to spend all this money to skip class. Besides, class is where you will find out most of what you need to know for the test.

4. Do your own outlines. Look at commercial outlines if you need guidance, but do your own. You will have half of the battle won in getting a great grade if you do your own outlines.

5. Don't wait until the last minute to do your outlines. Ideally, do you outlines whenever you see a major shift in the material. You will make it much easier on yourself if you do it this way. (However, don't start outlining from day one. You will not understand how things fit together until you move to a new topic).

6. Don't ever go to class unprepared. Treat your experience in law school as if you are doing on the job training as a lawyer. You would not ever walk into court unprepared and say to the judge, "I'm sorry your Honor, I didn't do my reading last night." Don't do it in law school. Your future clients deserve better.

7. Find a balance while in law school. Go out and have fun every once in awhile or find something else to do that does not involve law school. But, find that balance. Don't end up as one of those people who are at the bottom of the class or worse, kicked out because you spent law school partying. It is such a waste.

8. Learn the cases from the perspective of the trees but study from the perspective of the forest. Be able to see the forest for the trees. If you don't understand this now, figure it out soon or ask a professor what it means. For me, it was the "secret" that led to high grades.

9. Do not study the law from the "I think it should be this way" perspective. This is the biggest mistake that many students make. See the law from both sides and analyze it from both sides. Realize that, in the law, there is no such thing as a universal truth.

10. Stop...take a deep breath...and exhale. This is one of the most wonderful experiences of your life, but it can be hell if you allow it to be. Enjoy the experience, throw yourself into it heart and soul, and embrace the process of becoming an attorney. I promise you that you will freak out, question yourself and wonder if you can do this. When that happens, stop...take a deep breath...
and exhale. Then, get up again and keep going.

Good luck to all of you


Transferring / Re: anyone ever transferred out of cooley?
« on: July 29, 2004, 10:42:41 AM »

Check your LSD email. I replied.

Current Law Students / Re: First Day Assignments, Compare Notes
« on: July 29, 2004, 09:39:59 AM »
I actually still have my first assignments from when I started 4 semesters ago. This will help give you an idea of the amount of page numbers we were given

Contracts: 32 pages for the intro and then 1-10 and 20-34

Property: 3-41, 59-68, 77-79

Torts: 1-34

Criminal Law: 1-47

Intro to Law: One case to brief

Current Law Students / Re: anyone working during full time program
« on: July 14, 2004, 09:16:36 PM »
The attorneys are right. It is not worth it to sacrifice your grades by working if you don't have to. I decided not to work during law school (at least most of it until I get an externship). To me, the grades are much more important then a little extra money. I went from having a nice paycheck to nothing, but I figured out how to live on the budget and I make it work. I am not, however, implying that my situation is like everyone else's situation. There may be people who have to work and do not have a choice. The only thing I would suggest in that situation is to only work the minimum hours that you need to get by. Now is not the time to divide up your time if you don't need to.

I know that they are very wary of a bankruptcy, but it is impossible to tell you what your local bar would do. Give your local bar a call, explain what happened and see if they can give you advice. 

Current Law Students / To: Stillundecided
« on: July 11, 2004, 05:51:23 AM »
It looks like the thread got locked or something. If you have any questions, please ask. I wasn't involved in the last thread, but I will answer anything for you that I can. Don't worry about the snide remarks of others. What information are you looking for?

Current Law Students / Re: My admission has been cancelled. Help!
« on: July 10, 2004, 06:33:48 PM »
Call and speak to the Dean, NOW. Don't talk to a secretary or admissions worker. Talk to whoever matters and don't get off the phone until you get it resolved.

Do what you will feel comfortable wtih, that is the most important thing. I started off very similar to what you said. I had a separate binder for each class. I had a section for the current day's materials, a section for my class notes and a section for briefs covered in prior class meetings. Once the class would change topics, I started my outline for that class (using my class notes and briefs to construct the outline) and kept my outline for that class in another section.

I would type out the briefs for each class and bring those for that day's assignments. I would bring those to class and use my laptop to type class notes for that day. When I got home, I printed those out (dated and titled for that class) and put those into my folder into their sections.

I used microsoft word for class notes. I made a computer folder for each subject and saved it to the hard drive and also used a separate disc for each class and saved to disc. ALWAYS SAVE IT MORE THAN ONE PLACE. We have had more than one student lose an entire semester of work because they only saved to the hard drive. Once I get done with class that day, I save to the hard drive of my home computer when I am printing notes out for the day.

I no longer bring my binders with me to class, but that is how I started out. I still take my briefs with me to class, take class notes on my laptop, print out class notes when I get home and put them into a folder. I use the same method, I just got tired of carrying everything around. For the first semester, do whatever you need to do to make yourself as comfortable as possible. You can figure out later what you really need and what you do not need.

Good Luck


I made the decision to transfer by speaking to judges and lawyers that I know. All of them leaned toward me transferring, mainly because I was returning to an area where employers would be more likely to recognize my new school (and, the name that would be attached is more prestigious to them. I don't agree with the reasons for it, but I am seeing more and more that it can make a difference). As for your specific situation, make some calls to local attorneys, headhunters or anyone in the field that can give you opinions. To me, that really is the best way to gage how your school will be received. Look for an opinion of someone not affiliated with your current or prospective schools.

To me, law review is pretty important. I'm under the impression that most employers feel it is pretty important. If you don't have it, I'm not sure if doing moot court or things like that can make up for it or not. I just don't know. I was lucky enough to transfer to a school that will let me on if I meet all of their requirements.

Congratulations on your success in law school. I see a lot of people slack after the first semester or so. I know how easy it might be to slip into that, but keep working hard and do your best. Congrats!

If you have any other questions, let me know.


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