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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Harvard Admitted Students Weekend
« on: March 20, 2006, 09:22:22 AM »

Choosing the Right Law School / Harvard Admitted Students Weekend
« on: March 19, 2006, 03:29:25 PM »
Does anyone know when the HLS admitted students weekend is? I have just been admitted but haven't been sent that info yet.


No, just a handful of deferrals.

Law School Admissions / Number of Applications Remains Constant at HLS
« on: February 10, 2006, 07:26:03 AM »
HLS Holds Steady As Apps Drop Nationwide
Published On 2/10/2006 5:24:34 AM
Crimson Staff Writer

Applications to American law schools have declined almost 10 percent to a total of just over 60,000 from 66,000 a year before, according to the Law School Admission Council.

Though other schools have reported consistent declines in the number of applicants over the years, Harvard Law School (HLS) has seen its pool stabilize after falling 3.5 percent last year. Though applications fell to 7,127 from 7,386 in the 2004-2005 cycle, officials claim that there has been no change this time around.

“Applications are still coming in,” HLS Director of Communications Michael A. Armini wrote in an e-mail to The Crimson yesterday. “We’re not seeing anything significantly different from last year.”

Tobias S. Loss-Eaton, an aide in the HLS admissions office, echoed Armini, saying that since applications are still being accepted, the total number of applications this year is still unknown.

Admissions numbers are based on the amount of applications received prior to the Feb. 3 deadline, though most law schools will continue to accept applications for another month. Last year, for example, American law schools received a total of 95,800, nearly one third of which were submitted after the deadline.

Though the exact reason for the shrinking applicant pools of recent years is impossible to pinpoint, admissions experts cite an improved general job market, rising law school tuition, increasingly competitive admission rates, and a return to more typical numbers of applicants after large increases in the preceding years.

Some have said that the decrease in applicants could simply reflect a change in career preferences and that the prominence of lawyers in popular culture has accounted for much of the increase in the past.

“The more lawyers there are, the more people are out there to encourage others not to go to law school,” David E. Kelly, the producer of several law-related television shows, told The New York Times. “I personally have a very glamorous view of the law. But maybe that’s because I’m out of it, and I get to write about what I would like the practice of law to be.”

In the 2004-2005 cycle, the top five law schools, as ranked by U.S. News and World Report, all witnessed some decline in applicants. New York University School of Law, which experienced the largest decline, saw its total pool ebb by 4.3 percent, while Yale Law School took in just five fewer applicants, a decline of 0.2 percent. Nationwide, law school applicants fell by 4.6 percent in that cycle.

The Law School Admission Council, a trade group that comprises 202 law schools in the U.S. and Canada, is best known for administering the Law School Admission Test, or LSAT.

—Staff writer Paras D. Bhayani can be reached at

Law School Admissions / Re: Call from Harvard
« on: February 08, 2006, 03:46:19 PM »
Deferral here, too (12/16 complete, call around the same time).

Law School Admissions / Re: Reapplying
« on: February 07, 2006, 09:37:45 AM »
Of the Top 5 plus Chicago and Georgetown, all of them retain your application except for NYU. All of them either require or strongly encourage a new PS and one new LOR. But you don't have to re-send the old LORs, college certification, etc. (except for NYU).

Law School Admissions / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: February 02, 2006, 10:45:34 AM »
Thanks for the info. This means that I have to take back my comment that H beats Y on all of the characteristics reported on the web site (everything except per-student expenditures and library resources), as my calculations did not standardize each of the measures (I would only be able to do that if I had data for all of the law schools, which I do not).

Law School Admissions / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: February 02, 2006, 10:23:15 AM »
That's a good question -- I don't think this is made clear on their website (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). It's possible that they just use the units of whatever they're measuring (and try to use the setting of the weights to compensate for differences in units). USNWR rankings are really awful for many reasons, and this is probably just another one of them...

Law School Admissions / Re: HLS call & still waiting?
« on: February 02, 2006, 09:41:03 AM »
The calls have often been on Thursdays, but by no means exclusively.

Law School Admissions / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: February 02, 2006, 09:37:43 AM »
I did some calculations using the data for H and Y posted on the USNWR website ( If you only plug in the data that they post on the website (using their weights), H beats Y. This means that Y beats H on the factors that are listed in their methodology (which have total weights of 12%) but the data for which are not on the website. These are:

1) Expenditures Per Student -- The average expenditures per student for the 2003 and 2004 fiscal years. The average instruction, library, and supporting services (.0975) are measured, as are all other items, including financial aid (.015).

2) Library Resources (.0075) -- The total number of volumes and titles in the school's law library at the end of the 2004 fiscal year.

This means that H doesn't have to change their admissions policies at all to beat Y in the rankings -- they just have to change their expenditures per student (library resources count for too little to matter) -- or change the way that this is calculated (it must be a fairly complicated [i.e., arbitrary] formula given that both YLS and HLS are part of larger universities).

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