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This actually sounds like a scam to me.  An online job offer to a chef in Thailand?  Really?  The employer couldn't find a single Chef here in the states that can cook Thai food?  How did the Chef know the employer was legit?  There is no talk about him being flown out to meet the employer or to have him cook for the employer. 

Sounds like the employer can probably keep the money because I don't think the employer is real.  Lots of scams out there promising work to people overseas but first, "send us some money."   Then all communication stops.  Sorry, but this doesn't sound real to me.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Non-Bar Law Degree
« on: January 18, 2012, 10:57:34 AM »
My two cents whether anyone cares or not would be this:  Do your homework!!  If you have to go to a non-aba school, at least make sure it's state approved so you can take the bar.  I've seen a couple of posts where someone went to a non-aba in a state where they are not allowed to take the bar exam?  That is a MAJOR scam.  I'm in California that has many state bar approved schools, some online, some not, but you are allowed to take the bar.  The pass rate is low for the online schools, but at least you have the opportunity.   Honestly, I'm surprised there are non-aba schools in states that don't allow you to sit for the bar.  Isn't that the point?  If you couldn't get into an ABA school, why spend time and money on a school that isn't at least state approved? 

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: 0L anxious about being a 1L.. any advice?
« on: January 10, 2012, 02:45:46 PM »
I just finished my first semester and felt the same way.  It does take a bit to figure out the best way to study, but it also depends on what your professors are looking for in your exams.  Really, that is probably the most difficult part.  Different professors are looking for different things on their exams.  I read a couple of books myself, but found the best thing to do was meet with the professors with practice exams and outlines.   To give you an idea, one professor was adamant about briefing and expected the holdings of specific cases on the exams, whereas, another just preferred we book brief and learn the black letter law.  4lawschools.com have commercial briefs you can look at to get an idea of how to brief and what to look for.   Really though, when I look at back at my briefs from the beginning of last semester and compare them to the briefs I did at the end, they were pretty awful.  You'll get a groove as time goes on, but be sure to do all your reading and really try and understand the cases, etc. even if you don't have time to brief them. 
People will tell you they went through a semester without briefing a single case, used commercial outlines etc., and got great grades.  You may be able to get away with it later, but don't risk it until you're absolutely sure you can understand the material.  Shortcuts are great, but I didn't use any help until I figured out how to do them on my own.   
I stuck to a strict schedule, i.e. do my Leagal Writing on Wednesday, Contracts on Saturday, etc.   I wouldn't stop studying until the work due for that week was done.  There really is no magic amount of time for each class, but you don't want to get behind on your reading!  Organize your time that way so you don't go crazy trying to figure out what you should do next.  One girl in my class got two weeks behind on her reading and was struggling like crazy to keep up and didn't understand any of the lectures.  Also I tried to keep my reading about one-to-two weeks ahead because there were other projects to do not listed on the syllabi.   Keep that in mind!
Othere than that, everyone learns differently.  I bought flash cards which are a great secondary source and a nice break from regular study, but found I learned the rules best by writing them out over and over again.   If you can find a good study partner that will help also.  In the beginning you'll need to figure out which students are the most serious.  It helps because they might have info on their outlines you missed and vice versa. 
Anyway, hope that helps.   Good luck!

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Job Search / Re: Part-time 1L/2L summers
« on: December 19, 2011, 05:32:25 PM »
I am currently part-time and my school provides most meetings for associations, etc. after 5pm and before our evening classes start.  I'm not sure if any other schools do, but ours does.  Most part-timers have jobs and are going at night to lessen the burden of the debt - at least that is what I'm doing.  I was told that moot court and law review are definitely doable for part-timers and the current editor of our law review is a part-timer, but externships are not.  They were fairly honest about this up front. 

I think it really depends upon the person.  Although I won't be able to do an externship, I have been invited to intern with the legal department at my current job when the time comes.  In addition, I work at a private club and already have a network of numerous attorneys - many more than most of the full-time day students.  All are aware I'm in law school, many I've known for years, and one who says there will be a job waiting for me when I graduate.  Of course nothing is a guarantee.

The upside is this - you have work experience and less debt.  It's not legal experience, but if you work in the business world, you have knowledge of business in addition to your legal knowledge when applying for a corporate legal job.  Same if you work for an insurance co., etc.  I will not be graduating with over 150K in loans desperate to take any job anywhere.  I can slowly start a solo practice if there are no opportunities.  But, as the old saying goes, "it's easier to find a job when you have a job."  It will only take me one year more to finish and I'll have about 1/3 of the debt.   Moot court, law review, externships, they are all important when finding your first job.  However, most of the attorneys I know have also said that once you move on to your second or third job, those things don't matter as much if at all.   

Another judge I spoke to went part-time at night while working full-time and was able to do moot court.  She didn't find a job right out of law school, but was hired with the public defender's office within a year.  She made contacts doing unpaid interships while working solo after law school.  She had do a bit more, but now she's a judge.  Perserverance is key in any profession.  Remember, you can't send out only 20 resumes within a two month span and whine that no one gave you an interview.  It's really not impossible, but it will be a little more work and a bit more sacrifice to get there.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Do Fee Waivers mean anything?
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:54:58 PM »
The fee waivers probably don't mean anything.  However, since it won't cost you anything to apply, why not?  A 157 is not T14, but the worst they can do is reject you. 

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While I'm no expert but upon reading ps, I find myself wanting to know more about why you want to go to law school.  The paragraph about overcoming disability and fighting for our country is great and demonstrates the tenacity and determination needed for law school.   That being said, try to avoid writing anything the admissions committe will already see in your transcripts or resume like your minor or your electives.  They'll see that and are probably more interested in hearing more about what is motivating you to become a lawyer.  You mention being african american and a low percentage of minorities in law school.  Try expanding on that a bit more in the first paragraph.   Do you want to become a lawyer to help african american business owners, or vets, or help the disabled?  You have an interesting history to draw from and only a few pages to really tell your story so I would recommend less about your academic acheivements since they are already visible and more about your goals as a lawyer.   Hope that helps! 

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Civil disobedience and the age of consent
« on: November 22, 2011, 11:13:14 AM »
Well it's pretty obvious Beppo is making a justification for pedophelia.  The "don't be silly" argument for their predatory nature and me being "hysterical" because I'm a woman is a pretty clear indication.  As Chuck said, there is no merit to the argument.

That being said, I do think everyone agrees that underage sex between teenagers is different than pedophelia and does not justify a felony conviction.  However, I don't think the OP was talking about that.   I should have known better than to give him a reply at all.   

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Civil disobedience and the age of consent
« on: November 11, 2011, 12:35:36 PM »
I think the problem there is that there is a difference betwee underage sex and pedophila.  Sex between a 15 and 18 year old is different than underage sex between a 40 - 50 year old and a 15 year old.   So you really need to ask yourself what you mean by "no harm done."  Does that mean no harm in the eyes of the victim because they didn't fight it?   Does it mean a 14 year old can consent to sex because they can be convicted as an adult for murder?   
Here's the reality:  If you are a 40 - 50 year old man and think a 14 year old boy or girl really wants to sleep with you, then you are probably a pedophile trying to rationalize your actions.  Although this may not be true for everyone, I have to say the when I was a teenager I never looked at guys over 25 as a potential love interest.  For most teeangers, that is probably gross. 
So ask yourself, is the person trying to gain trust of the underaged person just to hurt them later on? There is a predatory nature to pedophelia:  you have to gain a child's trust, rationalize hurting them in addition to threatening them from telling anyone.   If a person approaches a child under the guise that they are "helping them," but later on threatens them for telling about what happened, then they are wrong and know they are wrong.  Consent doesn't include threats and most teenagers - even if they want to have sex - don't want to have it with old people.   And, of course, younger children probably don't even know what it is.   

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Current Law Students / Re: 1Ls: How are you doing after the first month+?
« on: October 17, 2011, 12:43:37 PM »
1.  Reading the cases just reinforces the doctrine for me.  Maybe I learn differently, but it is where the law comes from and I like to know the "why" of it.  Why did a judge or jury decide this way on this case, but another court decided differently on another case, etc.   The decisions reinforce the black letter law and, for me, makes it easier to apply when given a scenario.  I remember the cases, which is required for our torts class on an exam.  She wants us to analyze and compare a case we read to the scenario given in some detail.  If you don't have to do that, then you probably could spend your time doing other things.  Again, a student should be prepared for what is expected by the professor and I'm sure you agree with that.

 2.  You are probably correct that one will get extra points for things not mentioned in class.  One of my professors says we don't have to use policy arguments in our answers, but based on many 2L's experience at my school, it will get you additional points.   So definitely add it if you have the time.   

Again, I really won't know how I'm doing til I get my grades.  But for now, I really don't mind putting the time in.  It's not overbearing or killing me or depriving me of a social life.  It's all good right now.


First:  What benefit do you get from reading the cases? (I'm not implying there isn't any)

Second: Yes, in most cases you absolutely will get extra points for mentioning things not covered in class.  Professors pretend that their test grading is so accurate and particular.  They claim that they will only give points for things covered in class.  However, I got plenty of points for public policy and logical arguments that weren't covered in class.  I brought my professional experience into finals all the time and got a lot of points.  Professors also warned against using commercial supplements because they would include information that wasn't covered in class.  I relied on these all the time and got points because the law was correct.  Law school grading is about organization, black letter laws, exceptions, good logic and application, and then interesting points that the teacher likes.  I took a risk one time and went off on how the fact pattern in a final would never happen, and it wouldn't be in the business' best interest to sue.  I said if they did sue, the issues and likely outcome would be _____, but the first question is whether a law suit was even a good idea.   I got the book award in that class even though the teacher had professed that he would not give points for anything that wasn't covered in class.

Finally, I don't think anyone is saying you shouldn't read the cases. However, don't think that it's the most effective method just because that's what you are "supposed" to do.  For every minute you spend reading the book you could be doing something else.

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Current Law Students / Re: 1Ls: How are you doing after the first month+?
« on: October 10, 2011, 10:04:42 AM »
Falconjimmy, I hear you on the "old" person enthusiasm.  I think you are correct that it goes beyond briefing to just not putting the work in.  Most of the people not doing the work tend to be the younger students just out of undergrad.  Not all - but many.  Although it does take a chunk of time to read the cases, it's really not that bad.  As time goes on it takes less and less time to get through them.   At least read the cases if you don't want to brief them or don't feel like you need to.
I spoke to a 2L last week who did really well last year and he credits a big part of it having to do with not being young and not feeling like he needed a social life.  One guy complained that reading the cases is confusing and it's stupid to make law students brief cases because he's going to be a rainmaker.  LOL  And he was dead serious. 
As justanothersucker says, you won't get additional points for citing elements of the restatements.   The practice exams we've been given so far are scenarios similar to that of the cases.  As time goes on and we read more cases, it will be essential to at least have notes if not briefs. 
For most of us, however, we are putting the time in and I'm hoping it will pay off if we can keep it up.  Good luck!

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