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Job Search / Re: Interview Questions
« on: August 27, 2012, 04:25:38 PM »
As someone who runs a department and conducted my fair share of interviews over the last several years, I'd have to say that interview question is much more of a "goal" oriented question, which really could be anything you hope to accomplish as a lawyer.  Of course, our main goal is to have a job, but add something like you want to be published in a law journal, or the managing partner of a small firm, etc. 

Try to make the goal match where you are being interviewed so you don't tell the medical malpractice lawyer that you see yourself fighting crime with the District Attorney's office in five years.   Sounds like common sense, but you'd be surprised as to the many interview mistakes people make without even realizing it.   

So just evaluate some of your goals as an attorney, and add them to your five-year plan.  You should also do some practice interviews with a friend.  It might sound a bit overboard, but jobs are very competitive.  So when you actually get an interview, you want to make sure you get the job.  If it's a temporary job, tie in the work as a stepping stone for your goal, etc.  Hope that helps.   

Can you provide a link to the article?

Law School Admissions / Re: CHANCE ME
« on: August 24, 2012, 12:32:46 PM »
You have a decent shot at Mid-Atlantic School of Law.


Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Disgusted and Depressed
« on: August 24, 2012, 12:32:03 PM »
Have you thought about taking a prep class such as Test Masters or Kaplan?  It costs a bit of monty, but might be worth it for you.  If not, there are many other study aids and books out there.  Don't be too hard on yourself - two months is not that long.  Most people will tell you that a good 6 months is the minimum required to get a handle on the test.  Keep going - it should get better.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Sunk Cost Fallacy: Help me!
« on: August 23, 2012, 08:58:28 PM »
I don't know where you live, but in my area, the LA County Bar Association has numerous networking events for attorneys in their specific practices throughout the city.  If there is anything similar in your area, that may be a place to start to build additional contacts in real estate.

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 22, 2012, 04:18:39 PM »
Tuoro law school does say, however, that graduates from other law schools may take non-matriculating courses that "may" qualify them to sit for the bar exam.  They also said acceptance is very selective. 

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 22, 2012, 12:21:32 PM »
I have to agree about being cuatious with this one.  A google search of the phone number shows a link to a few different businesses including a fax number belonging to a chiropractor in NC.

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 22, 2012, 11:07:29 AM »
At least one measure of the legitimacy of a JD is whether it qualifies the degree holder to take the bar exam. As far as I can tell, the MASL JD, by itself, does not permit the holder to take any state's bar exam, with the possible exception of California (and I'm not even sure about that, since they're not registered with the state bar). How can that possibly qualify as a legitimate JD?

Personally, I don't think operations such as MASL should be allowed to claim that they grant JDs. I think it misleads the public, who assumes that the holder has completed a standard, rigorous legal education. I think the same should apply for B.A./M.A./Ph.Ds. 

I looked at the website and compared it to other online programs like Taft and Concord and MASL is not even registered with the DETC (Distance Education and Training Council) in addition to not being registered with any state bar.  I'm not exactly sure how rule 46 works in DC, but will someone who completed a legal education through MASL even be accepted to an ABA approved-program for the 26 units required for the bar?  Wouldn't they have to go to an ABA law school for those credits?  I tried to google search ABA 26 unit schools, but couldn't find anything. 

A quick look at the calbar website indicates that not one person from this school has taken the California Bar Exam in the last five years even though their website states that California is one of the states in which they can take the bar.  Yet every other correspondence or distance learning school is listed on that site even if only one person per school sat for the bar.
There is also no alumni section or information on any of their graduates, which seems a bit odd.  I only found one student in his third year that was working in VA under an attorney, and said he still needed to complete his 26 units, but doesn't say which school he was going to attend or which state he was going to take the bar.  Anyway, I've heard of a few schools like this, but does anyone know which ABA schools admit these students?    Are they only in DC maybe?


You're right about Prof. Dellinger's class, which why most 1Ls are so stressed during their first year at Western State.  Most students in every class, not just Prof. Dellinger's, do not receive a foundation point which is why the attrition rate is so high.  Western State actually has "double attrition," meaning that students get dismissed after their first year for not having >2.0 and then even more students are dismissed after their third semester, midway through law school, for not receiving the required amount of "foundation points."  The latter being the category that I fall in.  I believe that the ABA only reports attrition rates of students after the first year, but I'm not 100% sure about that one.

Oh, I absolutely do not want to get back into Western State's law program, even though I believe I would do much better.  Western State does not care about their students.  All they care about is keeping their ABA accreditation because they're unranked.  Instead of changing teaching methods so students are better prepared for the bar, they punish their own students by dismissing so many of them.  I wish I knew what I know now about Western State before I enrolled.  Attrition rates never really crossed my mind before I started at Western State.  I would never recommend to a prospective law student that he/she go to Western State.

As far as what I have changed that will cause me to have a different result, I'll explain my success in a paralegal program and, if I can find a paralegal job, how working in the legal field has motivated me to do much better the second time around.  My lack of focus at Western State, also having to take care my elder parents, played a role and I'll attempt to show to an admissions committee that between the time of my dismissal and the time of my admissions application that I am much more focused and am more motivated to do well in any law program.  I plan on retaking the LSAT and obviously studying much harder and smarter to increase my score as much as I can.  I'll still only apply to law schools in California but definitely not Western State, nor Whittier because I know people there who told me that their attrition is also high.  I was recently dismissed so I still have a little less than two years to "rehab" myself so that I can get into a better law program.

Any other ideas on what I should do? Constructive criticism is always appreciated.

This is certainly an issue that many of us at WSU worry about.  It's not only that you need these 4 foundation points (for part-timers it's 4 in two years), but you need a total of eight before you can receive your juris doctorate.  If this becomes an issue for me, I'm going to transfer out to a CBE school if I cannot transfer to another ABA.  From what I understand from a former WSU student who transferred to West LA law school, she said there are many students there who were dismissed for not getting their foundation points that were able to transfer their class credits where they earned a 2.0 or better.  Just something for you to consider if you plan on practicing only in California.  Most CBE's should realize that being dismissed for not having a certain amount of 2.5's is different than being academically dismissed for failure to keep your cum. gpa above a 2.0.

BTW, in my first semester with Delinger, half the class failed the midterm.  However, most were able to comeback and pass the class.  The problem with WSU is that no one knows about the foundation point system until they start school.   Since this is a system that has gone on for at least a couple of years and the ABA just came to evaluate the classes this past semester, I"m not sure it's even an issue for them. 

Law School Admissions / Re: 2.43 gap questions
« on: August 06, 2012, 03:10:05 PM »
You should disclose your mental illness as the above posters stated.  What you want to do in your addendum, however, is be sure it focuses more on how you've been able to persevere and overcome the obstacles your illness presented rather than use it as the excuse for your low gpa.   Your first year of law school will be very stressful and admission committees want to know that you will be able to manage that stress during your first year. 

My school makes testing accomodations for people with ADHD and may make accomodations for your disorder if it ever becomes unmanageable while in law school.  Finally, if you do get accepted, find out if the law school has access to a psychologist or psychiatrist because little stressors can cause even the most mentally stable people to lose focus their first year.  Good luck!

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