« on: August 28, 2012, 12:49:29 PM »
What is personal litigation? Does that mean non-business litigation. Couldn't you just say, "Litigation"ANY type of work experience. My point wasn't so much that they have to have a crappy job to get hired. My point was that the college students entering the work force these days have NO work experience, won't do an entry level job, and complain that they can't get a job. I went to college too. I worked, did activities, and still had time to party. Campus activities are pretty easy - at least the ones I was involved in. So was partying. Most people do campus activities and go to parties they enjoy. Going to work and dealing with a difficult public or difficult coworkers or boss isn't always enjoyable. Maybe you haven't had to deal with that on your job, but I found work to be very different than academia, parties, and activities. Of course you need different skill sets. Most of the sales people I work with that do those lunches or golf outings, however, are working their @$% off to meet a quota and get the sale even if that means working nights and/or weekends.
Anyway, I'm glad this thread was resurrected. I remember reading it a while back.
Cher1300, if you are reading this, sorry to be sassy:
1) What type of work experience do they need? What if they move bricks for a living or work at the school library? I worked my way through school, and I learned a lot. But I don't think you need to work through school to know how to handle stress and show up on time. Additionally, work ethic changes depending on the job. A salesman who makes commission by selling mortgage products might have to go to luncheon's and play golf a lot and he has to be self-driven and commit to the sale. A grocery store clerk basically just has to work at a high level and stay put. Those are two wildly different skill sets.
2) The second paragraph of points you make sounds like someone who only likes to manage one type of person. Maybe a college student who was involved in several campus activities and frats and partied all the time will actually have a wildly different skill set than someone who worked the window at the movie theater. Your post implies (not insinuates, since that's different) that you want to hire drones.
Also, a 3.0 and a 4.0 are miles apart, Duncanjp. At most state universities, a 3.0 in a liberal arts degree doesn't require hardly any effort. Maybe some 4.0's aren't "that" impressive, but a true 4.0 shows dedication. That said, a 3.6 and holding down a job is pretty dang impressive. A 3.0 and holding down a job shows you have the skills of a highly functioning primate, at least.
The kids coming out of college now are very bright and probably much smarter than my generation. However, they are having a difficult time making it in the work force and I believe it has more to do with an unwillingness to do an entry level job than the recession. They are competing with others who will do those jobs and don't care if they have to do it. Entry level positions and admin positions can turn into management or higher level jobs. So when someone complains that they aren't making 40K right out of college with no work experience when they've had opportunities for entry level positions, it's hard to feel sorry for them.
Lastly, Im curious as to why you think my second paragraph implies that I hire drones. Is it because you think working at Burger King while going to college makes a person a drone? It implies the exact opposite to me, but may explain why high school and college kids won't do those jobs. Perceptions vary widely.
Over the years, many employers - including a DA that recently spoke at our school - mentioned that working in the food industry was a plus on a resume when someone didn't have a great deal of experience. They explained that those jobs dealt with a high amount of stress and involved a great deal of interaction with the public. Does every employer feel this way? Probably not. Does this job require an education? No. But it does require a skill set that an employer may be looking for.
Honestly, what these kids do or don't do isn't going to hurt me in the long run, so what do I care really? It's just some issues I've noticed over the years. My main point was that you have to start somewhere - even if it is as a drone at BK.