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Studying for the LSAT / Re: I'm giving up on Law School....
« on: July 27, 2011, 12:57:55 PM »
I almost gave up on law school too last year.  My LSAT score was 147 and I had a 3.2 gpa.  I applied to 6 schools in California and was rejected by everyone.  It wasn't until my friend suggested I re-apply the following fall that I did because I figured I had nothing to loose.  I didn't want to retake the LSAT because I had already taken it twice and was so depressed about my score, but I redid my personal statement and re-applied to two schools that had rejected me the year before.  To my surprise I was accepted to both.  I was only sorry I hadn't applied to more early on. 

The fact is, you were accepted to a law school.  I'm older, I won't have much debt, and I have a job waiting for me when I graduate.  However, the bottom line is I've wanted to go to law school since I graduate from college almost 20 years ago.  FalconJimmy is right when he says that you'll only regret things you didn't try as you get older.  Failure, many times, is part of success.  I read a quote once that summed it up nicely, "Some succeed because they are destined to, others succeed because they are determined to." 

Just keep in mind, law school will always be there if you decide to try again.  Good luck.

General Board / Re: Live Alone or Roommate for 1L?
« on: July 18, 2011, 11:38:43 AM »
I'd have to agree with falconjimmy.  If your roommate is a fellow law student, you should be okay.  Otherwise, I'd say live by yourself.  You don't want to end up with an undergrad, or anyone who has lots of time to stay out and/or have friends over.  Good luck.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: Well, I got into law school...
« on: July 15, 2011, 01:05:29 PM »
I have to agree with what has been said here.  I live in California and will be going to a school that wasn't ABA approved until 2009.  However, the alumni of working, successful attorneys and judges are numerous. 

At 41, I considered a state approved school, but wanted one with an ABA accreditation because I want to take the bar in another state where all my family and long time friends live.  This decision was also made because I'm considering moving back to my home state in the future. 

Choosing a law school really depends on your needs, age, and drive.  There are many people who really just want to work for someone else and can't imagine working out of their home or starting a general practice.  Many want to work for "big law."  Most of them are younger people who haven't worked professionally and will have three-figures in debt to pay.  For older students, they are more financially set.  Undergrad debt is paid, there is money in the bank, etc.  People working full-time and going part-time in the evening still have a job if they can't find a legal job, etc. 

If you want to be a lawyer, and you love what you do, you will be successful.  We are in a recession, so there are not many jobs out there.  You have to find a way to make your way no matter what your profession.

I'm not sure how much debt you have from undergrad, but it sounds like quite a bit since you keep deferring your loans.

I'm also starting law school at 41.  I didn't score high on my LSAT either and am going to a tier 4 school.  Financially, however, I am in a much better position and will be working with an attorney that already has a practice - so I know I have a job.  I'll be working full time and going to school at night so my debt when I graduate should be between 50 and 60K campared to 150K that many kids coming out of undergrad going straight to law school will face.

That being said, you'll need to have a high LSAT score to obtain scholarship money.  Since you are low income, there are grants you may qualify for that could help you, but I think the real issue is that you already sound defeated.   If taking the practice LSAT has you discouraged, I don't know if you'd be up for the challenge and stress of three years of law school and the bar exam. 

If you are determined to be a lawyer, keep practicing on the LSAT.  You should find a study group for it.  Many times working with other people can help you with the issues you are having.  Mastering the LSAT doesn't happen overnight - I certainly didn't MASTER it and have never been good at standardized tests.  However, you should be comfortable taking the test before signing up for the real thing.  Try to have fun with it and don't sign up for the LSAT until your practice test scores are consistently better. 

Yes, very surprised.  I thought I'd be relaxing more before school but there's so much to do before I start.  My list is getting smaller though, and I plan on taking a nap every Sunday until then.  Best of luck to all the future 1L's. 

Not quite sure how to address this, but I will also be starting law school in the evenings.  The difference is, I've been at my job for over six years.  I did need to tell my boss because there are certain events, etc. that would require me to be here on an occasional evening and I probably won't be able to attend.  Also, I needed to change my hours so I can leave a bit earlier.  If I were just starting this job, however, I don't believe I would say anything unless/until overtime came up.  I don't know what type of job you have, but you'll probably be there for at least two - four years.  You could slowly work in the subject by casually mentioning school here and there without making it a big deal.  That way it's not really a surprise if they need you to stay, but I wouldn't make it a formal discussion.  Hope that helps. 

They are both Tier 4 schools so I don't know if it even matters that much.  I'll be going to Western State.  Even though they haven't been ABA approved for very long, they have a long list of alumni and it MAY help in finding employment.   The school had really dismal numbers in the past, but their bar passage rate for July 2010 was an impressive 83%.  I also heard the bar passage rate for February of 2011 is also above state average - around 76% or so, but I don't think official numbers have been released.  Just my 2 cents.   Good luck on your decision.

It is difficult to believe, but I wonder how many other graduates in 2008 entered law school in 2005 not knowing the recession was going to happen.  She was top of her class but ended up with 150K in debt?  I don't know the details of the case, but a lot can change in three years concerning employment stats.  I'm assuming the lawyer who took on this case has more information than we do.  Otherwise, almost any 2008 graduate from a mediocre law school who couldn't find a job may have a case against their school.

I have to agree unknownOne on this.  You have two strikes against you, first by not finishing high school, then slacking a second time in college.   Slackers can generally get by in undergrad.  Most people can work and party during college, but this will not be the case if you go to law school.  Joining the National Guard may help with getting you disciplined as far as study goes, but the first thing a law school looks at is your gpa and lsat score.   You really need to evaluate what it is/was that kept you from your studies and figure what needs to be done to change it.  If you get into law school and slack off, you won't be able to stay anyway.  You may want to start a study schedule for the LSAT and see if you are able to maintain it.  If you are disciplined enough to study and do well on the LSAT, then there's a chance you could get in to law school. 

Non-Traditional Students / Re: Part Time - Law Review/Moot Court?
« on: June 30, 2011, 06:53:13 PM »
I'll also be attending part-time in the fall.  I did speak with a part-time graduate who is now a judge.  Although she went to school about 20 years ago, she told me she did moot court, but not law review.   According to her, it's possible to do one or the other, but may difficult to do both unless you have no personal life to speak of.  Aside from that, she said it's really not possible to join any associations.  Most of my lawyer friends have told me that employers generally ask about your gpa, and whether or not you did law review or moot court.   I'm going to try for law review.  That's some writing I may be able to sneak in during work time.   Hope that helps!  I guess we really won't know until we start.

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