Is T1 considered top 50 or top 25? Likewise, what is considered T2, top 25 to 50 or top 50 to 100?
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« on: June 29, 2010, 12:09:01 PM »
The best way to successfully plan to transfer to another law school after your first year: do not "plan" anything. Believe me, whether you are at a T4 or a T1, one thing is certain, you will have A LOT of work to do. Transferring up a notch or two will hinge mainly on your ranking and first year grades. So, it makes sense to focus all of your energy on preparing for 1L classes and studying, not transferring. Further, your file will likely not be considered "complete" until the rankings have been released, which usually takes a month or so after your finals. The point: worry about your transfer apps after you take your finals.
Thanks a million to you as well as everyone else that provided the thoughtful responses. A few questions for you specifically' if possible, would you mind telling me which T4 to which T1 you transferred to (you can PM me that information if your willing to share it with me but not everyone else or not divulge it all if you don't feel comfortable doing so)? Also, would you mind telling me about where you ended up at the end of the first year in your T4, the whole transfer application process and maybe just a summary of the events leading up to your successful transfer?
Any insight, hindsight, or general advice that you might pass on to someone else looking to make a similar move outside of what you provided above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
I would appreciate a suggested reading list for practical application in law school. In other words, I am not so much interested in reading any novel type books about a lawyer or anything of the sort but instead what I can practically use for law school in the fall.
As an example, I recently picked up an E&E on Civil Procedure and have an understanding, admittedly rudimentary, but still a base level understanding of issues regarding personal jurisdiction, venue etc. So much so that I was able to carry on an intelligent conversation regarding the topic with a legal professional regarding the topic and other related subjects.
In sum, any reading materials suggestions that would be beneficial for practical application for law school would be greatly appreciated.
« on: March 28, 2010, 01:01:38 AM »
Thank you to everyone for the thoughtful responses. I figure I will just write one long post to respond to the specific points of interest in each post.
As someone who did exactly, what you're suggesting, I can give you the good and the bad.
Great to hear from someone with a very similar situation as the one I will be facing. Your response was incredibly beneficial. To be clear, however, the hours you were employed while in school was part-time or full-time? And if full-time, I assume you went part-time?
I have actually decided to keep my part-time job and go to school full time (after making some calls to my school of choice, they would revoke my scholarship if I switched divisions so it made the choice very easy for me).
A follow-up question for you though, if it isn't too intrusive, would you mind telling me if you felt that at any point in time, that your employment at a part-time or full-time capacity made it such that you could not realize your academic potential? If so, would you re-consider your hours of employment in hindsight? Did it hurt or help your job prospects after graduation?
« on: March 25, 2010, 06:48:17 PM »
I have recently found myself in a conundrum of sorts. I was all set to go to law school (T4) in a few months with half of my tuition paid. When school began, I planned to simply reduce my hours of employment to about 10-15 hours per week to pay for gas (commuting to school) and living expenses. However, today, my current employer offered me a management position at the college based research facility I work at with a 40K per year (with benefits) compensation package.
Now, I still want to go to law school and my intent is to be in the top 10% of my class-not just a straggler. That being said, is there any way I could realistically accomplish this with a 40 hour work week? I understand the part-time division is an option, but that also may jeopardize my financial aid and scholarship package if I were to switch from full-time day division to evening division. However, assuming the switch doesn't impact my aid, is it realistic to stay within the top 10% of my class working a 40 hour per week job?
Also, if I were to go to law school in the full-time day division and just keep my part-time (20 hours) job as a researcher for the college, would even this amount of time committed to work allow me the time needed to be succesful in school (top 10% in my class being the goal)?
Any thoughtful responses, experiences, and other pertinent information is greatly appreciated.
« on: March 12, 2010, 11:31:07 AM »
I've only seen law students summering at firms listed as summer law clerks - they get the same pay rate as starting associates. I've seen highschool and college kids listed as interns - they get paid hourly. My data sample is small though and its possible the only difference is semantic. Few firms are hiring 1Ls these days - you are probably better off summering with a good judge, DOJ office, or public interest type organization.
Thank you for the response, very much appreciated. SO as I understand it, a summer clerkship is what I would be doing as a 1L and would be paid same as a starting associate? What would a starting associate be receiving in terms of pay?
Also, if I were to do an internship now, meaning before I begin 1L studies, what type of pay would I be looking at and where might I pursue those types of opportunities e.g. specific database, contacting local lawyers, etc?
You also mentioned that most firms are not hiring 1Ls these days so it might be in my best interest to work with a good judge, a DOJ, or public interest group, would all of the aforementioned be considered a summer clerkship or something else?
And finally, again speaking to the point about most law firms not hiring 1Ls, can I correctly assume from that that paid clerkships would become more readily available in my 2L and 3L years?
Your response is much appreciated. Thanks again.
« on: March 08, 2010, 09:01:50 PM »
What would be the major differences between a clerkship and an internship at a firm? Meaning, is there any particular route one takes you versus the other or is the clerkship, depending on who you complete it with, provide you a recommendation holding higher clout when searching for a job?
Also, are there any particular fields of law that are better suited for a clerkship versus a regular internship and vice versa? Any pertinent information is appreciated. Thanks.
I have heard about paid internships an dhow difficult they are to acquire, however, they do exist and was wondering if anybody had any information on what particular fields may offer the most paid internships, how to go about getting one, and any appropriate time-line i.e. after 1L, 2L etc. Thanks.
« on: March 08, 2010, 07:53:03 PM »
For those already in law school, is there, more or less, a standard format in regards to tests and courses gradings or does it very dramatically from class to class?
For example, are most classes just one final exam and that is your grade for the course? If so, how is the test broken down e.g. one essay question, several smaller essay questions, multiple choice, or a mix of essay and multiple choice.
If no, how is the class grading broken up e.g. projects, case brief grades, discussion grades, tests, essays etc.?
Also, related to this, any tips on how to prepare for each class whatever the course grading scheme may be? Thanks in advance.